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Conference Re-Draft Project

West Pacific
TSUN
ND
Purdue
UCLA
Houston
Colorado

South Atlantic
Duke
North Carolina
Clemson
Auburn
Pitt
Cincinnati

Divisional Rivals:
Duke - UNC
Auburn - Clemson
UC - Pitt
Michigan - Colorado
ND - UCLA
Purdue - Houston

Cross Division Rivals:
ND - Duke
Michigan - North Carolina
Purdue - Clemson
UCLA - Pitt
Houston - UC
Colorado - Auburn

SmoovP;1950334; said:
I used the SEC model for designing the divisional stuff. In the SEC, each team has a 'permanent' cross-divisional rival and a promoted in-divisional rival.

Arkansas and South Carolina play each year from the West and East - all other teams from the East rotate in and out of the Razorbacks schedule with a two-year home-and-away series.

We have an intra-divisional opponent that is promoted as a rivalry. For Arkansas, LSU is promoted as our in-division 'rival' and play each year the Friday after Thanksgiving.

If the rest of you guys want me to make a divisional map, send me your breakdown.

Very cool.

The only possible change I could really come up with is maybe MSU - NS St & South Carolina - USF divisionals rivals...and that's really just six of one, a half dozen of another.
 
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Diego-Bucks;1950359; said:
My Conference break down will be East/West.

East:
Florida State
TAMU
Virginia
Wake Forest
Rutgers
Louisville

West:
USC
California
Arizona
Utah
Missouri
Kansas

8 game conference slate following SEC model.

Intra-divisional rivalries are

Florida State-TAMU
Virginia-Wake Forest
Rutgers-Louisville
USC-Cal
Arizona-Utah
Missouri-Kansas

Across division rivalries are:

Florida State-Arizona (Stoops Bowl)
TAMU-Missouri (Get Missouri into recruiting hotbed)
Virginia-California (Prestigious Public Ivy)
Wake Forest-Kansas (Get Kansas into a recruiting hotbed)
Rutgers-USC (Trojans in New York area!)
Louisville-Utah (Red Alert)

Your map, sir.

BPConferenceMapDiego.jpg
 
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Ha, I guess mine wasn't as advanced as yours.

I took my picks based on 3 points of data:

Athletic revenue (most profitable schools, 2009-10)
Director's Cup Standings (Aggregate 2003-2011)
Stassen Football Rankings (1990-2010)

Generally, I wanted a well-rounded sports conference. Profitability (to me) is key, as large budgets and universities will likely seek good hires and demand more out of their programs, even if the programs are currently down (see Penn St. and Georgia).

Therefore, I made my picks as follows:


  1. Florida University. Arguably one of the more secure picks that could be made in regards to CFB and BB. They were #2 on the inaugural re-draft which was the source of this re-draft. 4 championships in football and basketball in the last decade made them arguably the pinnacle of sports success. #1 Stassen football W/L record in the past 20 years, and have been in the Director's Cup Top 10 every year since its inception (average ranking of 4-5). 2nd largest revenue-generating university for sports on most rankings made it my #1 choice as OSU was taken. Tertiary programs like baseball, and swimming are also very good. (also considered: Texas, ND)
  2. Penn State University. I've got a lot of flak for this one, which is ironic given their metrics. Despite JoePa's ineptitude, the school is a beast in every respect, especially as a #11 overall pick. 8 Top-10 Director's Cup finishes, 10th largest athletic budget among all schools. They are a long-term prospect, as their football brings in insane amounts of money, which makes me hopeful that they will return to being a beast after JoePa dies. They have the 2nd largest stadium in CFB, and despite weakness as of late, still made $50 million USD in CFB revenues last year (3rd most profitable program in the nation). Very strong tertiary sports programs in volleyball and fencing. (also considered: LSU, Oklahoma, Georgia)
  3. Georgia University. Having the 2nd pick of the snake draft made this a very advantageous position for me. I keyed in on Georgia as being a pretty well-to-do sleeper program, and got them in the 3rd round which was pretty nice. 8 Top-10 Director's Cup finishes with a peak of #2 showed they were a pretty good program to get. CFB has been good but not stellar, although the program is insanely profitable ($52 million in 2009-10 which was the 2nd most profitable program next to Texas). Additionally, they fare very well in overall sports expenditures, ranking easily in the Top-10 and have been as high as #5 on some lists. IMO, Georgia will re-assert itself much like Penn State over the next 10-20 years which makes them a good value pick in the 3rd round, IMO. Tertiary programs are great at Georgia in Tennis (4 Men's Championships in the past decade, 2 Women's), and fields the best gymnastics program in the nation (5 consecutive championships in 2005-2009). (Also considered: Nebraska, Oregon)
  4. University of Wisconsin. Again, likely a lot of flak for the Capital One/Champ Sports Bowl/2nd-rung Bowl games, but U of W is a fantastic program to pick in the 4th round. They field one of the largest athletic programs in the nation (#6 by some ratings), which means that I have 4 of the top 10 programs by athletic budgets. The Director's Cup has them in the mid-20's, showing they are an overall decent college. CFB has been great (as a 4th-round pick) the past 10 years as they have the 2nd highest winning percentage in the B10. CFB is also pretty good outside of the tournament. Both are in the top-50 for highest revenue-generating teams in college in 2009-10. Tertiary programs are very good such as Ice hockey (1st program to have men's and women's championships in 2006). Very happy with them as the 23rd pick of the draft. (Also considered: California, UCLA, Michigan St.)
  5. West Virginia. One of my off-the-cuff picks. CFB has been pretty good as of late as the 15th highest win percentage in the past 10 years, and likely should continue. Men's Basketball has had 1 final-four in the past ten years and four sweet-sixteen appearances. Tertiary programs are nothing to write home about, from what I can tell. As per the Director's Cup, they average in the low-30s which made them a decent overall pick for all sports as the 26nd pick of the draft. (Also considered: Arizona, Oklahoma St.)
  6. Brigham Young University. The Stormin' Mormons are kind of difficult to peg due to transparency thanks to the LDS Church in terms of endowment and athletic budget. Despite that, they have fielded very good CFB and BB teams in the past 20 years, and their CFB team has always been good - especially for a 6th round pick. Top-25 basketball program has 1 sweet sixteen in the past 10 years and an incredible 8 tournament appearances in the past 10 years. Additionally, they average about #40 in the Director's Cup which makes them a decent pick at #29. (Also considered: UConn, ASU)
  7. Arizona State University. My 'Steal of the draft'. I can't believe I got them in the 7th round, as the 38th pick. Although CFB and BB aren't anything to write home about (55th in wins the past 20 years in CFB and 2 NCAA tournaments in the past 10 years), they have an incredible Director's Cup standing, with 6 Top-10 finishes. Why so high? Their tertiary programs in baseball and softball are incredible, as well as Track & Field and golf. Oh, they're big on MMA too. (Also considered: None)
  8. University of Minnesota. This is where picking values gets difficult. Minnesota has a horrible CFB program, yet they build a new stadium, and a mediocre basketball program, but went out and got a top-shelf coach. What does that mean? They take their athletics seriously. Also, they are a pretty cool research institute (not considered in my picks, but still cool). Their Director's Cup standings are very good as I took the 46th in the draft, but have 1 Top-10 finish and average in the mid-20's by this metric. Also very profitable for CFB (#25) and BB (#46). Hockey is great, too. (Also Considered: Syracuse)
  9. The rest: Texas Tech, Baylor, Indiana and Iowa State. At this point, I primarily went after Director's Cup standings. All said teams averaged in the top-50 for various reasons. Generally, I also tried to favor teams in the South-West where possible due to demographic shifts favoring the South-West. I really wanted to get a few value picks like Boise St. and South Florida late on, but SmoovP killed that dream.
Overall, I like my conference. It may not be a football or basketball conference entirely, but its going to be profitable, growing, and competitive in every sport.

My conference has NCAA championships in the following sports within the past 20 years:

  • College Football: 2
        • Florida - 2006, 2008
  • Men's College Basketball: 2
        • Florida - 2006, 2007
  • Women's College Basketball: 2
        • Texas Tech - 1993
        • Baylor - 2005
  • Men's Baseball: 1
        • Georgia - 1990
  • Women's Softball: 2
        • Arizona State - 2008, 2011
  • Men's Ice Hockey: 4
        • Wisconsin - 1990, 2006
        • Minnesota - 2002, 2003
  • Women's Ice Hockey: 6
        • Wisconsin - 2006, 2007, 2009, 2011
        • Minnesota - 2004, 2005
  • Men's Volleyball: 5
        • Penn St. - 1994, 2008
        • BYU - 1999, 2001, 2004
  • Women's Volleyball: 5
        • Penn St. - 1995, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010
  • Men's Soccer: 5
        • Indiana - 1998, 1999, 2003, 2004
        • Wisconsin - 1995
  • Women's Soccer: 1
        • Florida - 1998
  • Men's Indoor Track & Field: 4
        • Wisconsin - 2007
        • Arizona State - 2008, Florida - 2010, 2011
  • Men's Golf: 7
        • Arizona State - 1990, 1996
        • Florida - 1993, 2003
        • Georgia - 1999, 2005
        • Minnesota - 2002
  • Men's Golf: 8
        • Arizona State - 1990, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1997, 1998, 2009
        • Georgia - 2001
  • Men's & Womens Fencing, Combined: 12
        • Penn St. - 1990, 1991, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2002, 2007, 2009, 2010
  • Men's Tennis: 5
        • Georgia - 1999, 2001, 2007, 2008,
        • Baylor - 2004
  • Women's Tennis: 7
        • Florida - 1992, 1996, 1998, 2003, 2011
        • Georgia - 1994, 2000
...Among others. I didn't want to look up a whole lot more track & field stuff and all the even-smaller sports.

All in All, I'm happy :-)

CFB divisional alignment: 2 six-team divisions as follows:

  • North Division: BYU, Iowa State, Minnesota, Wisconsin, West Virginia, Penn St.
  • South Division: ASU, Texas Tech, Baylor, Indiana, Georgia, Florida
And there you have it :-)
 
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Diego's conference really pairs up well.

Mrstickball;1950385; said:
Ha, I guess mine wasn't as advanced as yours.

You did essentially the exact same thing I did...I just grabbed more sources of data.

I don't know why you would get much flack for your picks...I thought most of the early ones were very solid. The only reach I saw was WVU.

Despite what my number crunching says Ohio State, Florida & Texas would be my top three overall & set apart a bit from the next pack (USC, ND, TSUN, Bama etc).

You also picked up four programs in the exact round I was targeting them ...BYU, Arizona St, Minnesota & Indiana.

Jerk. :wink:
 
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National titles in the "Big Two" by conference:

Football:
AKAKBUCK - 28
NateG - 18
Muck - 17
Mrstickball - 11
Diego-Bucks - 9
SmoovP - 3

Basketball:
Muck - 23
SmoovP - 16
Diego-Bucks - 8
Mrstickball - 8
NateG - 5
AKAKBUCK - 2

Edit - Adding Wrestling:
SmoovP - 35
AKAKBUCK - 23
Mrstickball - 15
NateG - 7

Mrstick is arguably the strongest wrestling conference overall with Iowa St, Penn St, Minnesota & ASU
 
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So, here's the list...

I had kind of a similar approach to Muck, in that I was trying to have a balanced group of Universities. I didn't take basketball into account at all, as is probably evident. I did take academics, especially the USNWR rankings into account and I think I only have 2 schools outside the top 100 in the National University rankings. (I think you can give me a pass on the Service academies)

The one thing I did have in the back of my head was putting together an attractive TV network/deal which I'll explain a bit with each school as well as some misses I had. Generally I'm very thin on West Coast and almost thought about abandoning that altogether once I didn't pick USC first overall. The one area I did miss on was the classic midwest, but, I had the choice between Texas, USC, and ND there. I was honestly hoping that Michigan would get back to me in round 2. (Muck and Nate just took a lot of my "next" picks as I was getting ready to take them)

So, all in all, I did want strong academics and strong "traditional" football powers. For instance, if you take SmoovP's group, programatically I'll take my top 4 over anyone he's got. Though, playing right now, He'd win a lot of head to head games. He has very good teams "right now" but I really feel like they're mostly a coach away from being not only average programs, but, in the case of Stanford and Michigan State, not very good ones at all. (And Oregon is a Phil Knight away from being Wazzu, probably).

That's not what I wanted. So, my first 6 teams have all won a National Championship since 1990. They all have reasonably good football traditions (I tried to pull the trigger on Wake Forest and some others, but, I couldn't take teams that have never done anything... ever... though it's a Michigan 1890's argument, even Army and Navy have NC's. Though that's not why they are there)

So, here's the list with the USNWR Rankings and some notes on the teams...

Texas (#45) - Pretty easy call here. Huge alumni base and solid football program and athletic department. I had PM'd Muck to take either Texas or USC in that order, though I think ND was somewhat of a better pick than SC if Texas was off the board, I thought I could make up for ND later. Though I probably didn't.

Alabama (#79) - With Michigan off the board, the 103 National championships were too much to pass on. Even though there is good and bad here with the iffy academics and let's say "comitted alumni base" 'Bama just keeps coming back even after they've been down.

Nebraska (#104) - With Oklahoma and Georgia coming off the board right befor this pick, this was the "Best" of the established programs on the board IMO. I had kicked around Wisconsin here, but, both had big stadiums and I just felt like the Nebraska brand was stronger.

Miami (#47) - The other thing I theoretically had in mind was "recruiting presence" for other programs in the conference and I wanted to get a Florida presensce. Much like Alabama, Miami will be back. We know what they've done in the past and a good school.

Washington (#41) - Not to knock Washington, but this was a consolation prize to some degree. Cal and UCLA went off the board immediately after the Miami pick and I felt I needed some West Coast presence. Big Stadium, great tradition, and maybe headed back to prominence after... well, we'll blame Ty Willingham.

Georgia Tech (#35) - Yeah, probably an Academic pick first and foremost but this is also the land of John Heisman and won a MNC in '90. First of my 2 "Paul Johnson" teams along with Navy. This is a power run Conference I guess.

Iowa (#72) - Again, I was looking at Illinois and Arizona State, and they were off the board right before this. Illinois was going to be the midwest/Chicago counterbalance to not taking Notre Dame, but, gone. And the loss of ASU pretty much caused the abandonment of any more western strategy. So, Iowa was mostly a BPA. I mean Ferentz is a 47 time B10 coach of the year recipient.

Syracuse (#55) - Jim Brown? Okay. See, great LaCrosse program. (Maybe). Well, this is Past Glory plus abandoning the Western Strategy, so, now I decided to get an Northeast presence having carpet bombed the Plains/Texas and Southeast. So , these guys kind of are in the middle of the East Coast and midwest so, it's sort of a counterpoint to the Iowa pick.

Boston College (#31) - This is kind of an oddball pick given the rest. They're really not historically that good. I mean, Flutie, sure. Matt Ryan, yeah. Mostly just a Boston Metro area thing. And hey, you know, I can get an non-conference game vs. ND. Good for ratings. Holy War.

Navy (#T16 - Liberal Arts)- Okay... so, when you have a TV deal. The bad part for your conference is who is gonna watch Indiana and Minnesota or Wake Forest and Duke. Well. What if your Wake Forest and Duke is actually Army v. Navy. How would you like that? Worst 2 teams, a game that 5 million people are going to watch. Plus, despite the small home stadium size, can play in a number of larger venues in games against The Texas's/Alabams'a Nebraska. Plus, who isn't going to root for the underdog service academies on those games?

Ole Miss (Believed to be accredited)- If Admiral Ackbar had made it, I'd have taken them #1. Also once lost the Bacardi Bowl to the University of Havana. I've got your cocktail party right HERE! Hey they have 6 bowl wins in the BCS Era 21 overall and 600 victories. You could do worse with an 11th round draft pick. Flim Flam Bim Bam.

Army (#T16 - Liberal Arts) -See the Navy Comments.
 
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Muck;1950360; said:
West Pacific
TSUN
ND
Purdue
UCLA
Houston
Colorado

South Atlantic
Duke
North Carolina
Clemson
Auburn
Pitt
Cincinnati

Divisional Rivals:
Duke - UNC
Auburn - Clemson
UC - Pitt
Michigan - Colorado
ND - UCLA
Purdue - Houston

Cross Division Rivals:
ND - Duke
Michigan - North Carolina
Purdue - Clemson
UCLA - Pitt
Houston - UC
Colorado - Auburn



Very cool.

The only possible change I could really come up with is maybe MSU - NS St & South Carolina - USF divisionals rivals...and that's really just six of one, a half dozen of another.

Yeah, but I wanted to keep the Carolina schools together.

Your map, sir.

BPConferenceMapMuck.jpg
 
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Muck;1950393; said:
National titles in the "Big Two" by conference:

Football:
AKAKBUCK - 28
NateG - 18
Muck - 17
Mrstickball - 11
Diego-Bucks - 9
SmoovP - 3

Basketball:
Muck - 23
SmoovP - 16
Diego-Bucks - 8
Mrstickball - 8
NateG - 5
AKAKBUCK - 2

Edit - Adding Wrestling:
SmoovP - 35
AKAKBUCK - 23
Mrstickball - 15
NateG - 7

Mrstick is arguably the strongest wrestling conference overall with Iowa St, Penn St, Minnesota & ASU

Take a look at the Track & Field championships...
 
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Largest University Endowments

  1. Muck - $29,858 Million
  2. AKABuck - $23,575 Million (Doesn't include Navy or Army)
  3. SmoovP - $23,105 Million
  4. Diego-Bucks - $20,708 Million
  5. NateG - $13,920 Million (Doesn't include last pick)
  6. Mrstickball - $13,422 Million (added BYU @ $598 Million)
 
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Largest University Endowments

  1. Muck - $29,858 Million
  2. AKABuck - $23,575 Million (Doesn't include Navy or Army)
  3. SmoovP - $23,105 Million
  4. Diego-Bucks - $20,708 Million
  5. NateG - $13,920 Million (Doesn't include last pick)
  6. Mrstickball - $13,422 Million (added BYU @ $598 Million)
Well, I think SmoovP will get up high with Stanford and Vanderbilt. But I expect Mucks total endowment package to be quite substantial. Duke, UNC, Pitt, TSUN, Notre Dame, UCLA are all multi-billion $$ institutes. Money.

Of course, endowments don't always equal high-end research. Just depends on the universities mission goal, but having the ability to pay those professors usually pays dividends on the research side.
 
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Mrstickball;1950385; said:
CFB divisional alignment: 2 six-team divisions as follows:

  • North Division: BYU, Iowa State, Minnesota, Wisconsin, West Virginia, Penn St.
  • South Division: ASU, Texas Tech, Baylor, Indiana, Georgia, Florida
And there you have it :-)

Your map, sir.

BPConferenceMapStick.jpg
 
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