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Mrstickball
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I'm ready and rarin' to go on discussing my conference and my selection process for the conference.
Overall, I'm very interested in what the decision process was for everyone else, and user feedback on our conferences.
Overall, I'm very interested in what the decision process was for everyone else, and user feedback on our conferences.
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Muck
Enjoy Every Sandwich
Mrstickball;1950293; said:
I think it's safe to start talking about it if you want...I don't think Nate's final selection is going to be too unduly influenced at this point.
I just created a basic equation that factored in a bunch of different measurements...academic rankings (USNWR, Washington Monthly & Forbes), school endowments, media market size, undergrad enrollment, overall athletic department performance (Sears & Capitol One cups), athletic department revenue, basketball rankings (Stassen), all time FB win %, total wins & prestige (using LordJeffBuck's rankings), stadium size & attendance. I also awarded bonus points to the FB Kings/Barons/Knights (Stewart Mandel's breakdown), for being FBS members (non Div 1A schools were in my rankings as well) and to BB & FB champions (5 per FB & 3 per BB championship).
Basically I wanted to focus on all-around excellence, not just FB powers.
The only time I just went for the biggest FB names left on the board was with Clemson/Auburn ...and even then I took Auburn 2nd.
I wanted to have a stronger presence out west but kept getting snaked on the teams I was planning on picking (Washington, BYU & Utah).
I grabbed UC at the end because I realized I had a circle around Ohio with programs that have traditionally recruited well within the state so I might as well stick a foot in the door within the state itself....and despite their recent problems UC has been a top BB program.
My top 100 ended up looking like:
Michigan
Ohio State
USC
Notre Dame
UCLA
Stanford
Texas
Penn St.
Cal
Florida
Oklahoma
North Carolina
Washington
Duke
Minnesota
Alabama
Texas A&M
Georgia
Tennessee
Maryland
LSU
Virginia
Illinois
Florida St.
Boston College
Wisconsin
Michigan St.
Miami (FL)
Nebraska
BYU
Auburn
Arizona St.
Princeton
Vanderbilt
Iowa
Northwestern
Purdue
Pitt
Georgia Tech
Virginia Tech
Oklahoma St.
Colorado
Indiana
Clemson
Arizona
Arkansas
Syracuse
U Conn
West Virginia
Kansas
Kentucky
Oregon
TCU
Missouri
Louisville
NC St.
Utah
Georgetown
Villanova
South Carolina
Rice
SMU
Navy
Wake Forest
Army
Texas Tech
Mississippi
Houston
Baylor
Cincinnati
Rutgers
Temple
Penn
USF
Iowa St.
Kansas St.
Chicago
Miami (OH)
Oregon St.
Air Force
Tulane
UCF
SDSU
Washington St.
Yale
Tulsa
Harvard
Boise St
Boston U
Denver
St. John's
Dayton
Columbia
Richmond
Akron
New Mexico
San Francisco
Mississippi St.
UNLV
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SmoovP
doesn't ride a Harley
I didn't have nearly as robust or well thought out a plan as Muck. I did virtually no research.
I paid very little attention to academics, endowments, revenue, historical performance, Sears Cup, etc. Even so, I did deliberately pick a 'smart' school with a couple of picks.
What I was going for was to put together the strongest football and basketball conference I could manage. Not the easiest thing to do with the 6th pick and the mandatory that I start with the Razorbacks. No other sports were given much consideration, if any, although I was happy to pick South Carolina for both the connection with the Razorbacks and their recent Baseball performance.
I would also pass over teams I have a strong dislike for, like Alabama. I ain't having them fuckers in my Conference.
So when my picks came up, I was looking for the strongest football school left on the board - at this time. Meaning, I ignored historical performance in picking Stanford over say Michigan or Florida State.
I put some thought into my recruiting footprint. I wanted to be able to recruit in Florida, Texas and California, so that was also a factor in some of my choices.
I also gave a nod to trying to have some sort of balance to the whole thing in regards to divisions and rivalries - meaning that some of my choices were informed by who might work out to be a good rival both in and out of the division they are in.
It was pretty consistent that the team I really wanted with a pick would get picked before I got there.
I'm relatively happy with how it turned out. My one regret is picking Boise State over Cincinnati as I would have like to have a stronger recruiting footprint around the Great Lakes region.
So here's what the SmoovP Conference Map looks like. I'll point out some things below.
I used the SEC model for designing the divisional stuff. In the SEC, each team has a 'permanent' cross-divisional rival and a promoted in-divisional rival.
Arkansas and South Carolina play each year from the West and East - all other teams from the East rotate in and out of the Razorbacks schedule with a two-year home-and-away series.
We have an intra-divisional opponent that is promoted as a rivalry. For Arkansas, LSU is promoted as our in-division 'rival' and play each year the Friday after Thanksgiving.
If the rest of you guys want me to make a divisional map, send me your breakdown.
I paid very little attention to academics, endowments, revenue, historical performance, Sears Cup, etc. Even so, I did deliberately pick a 'smart' school with a couple of picks.
What I was going for was to put together the strongest football and basketball conference I could manage. Not the easiest thing to do with the 6th pick and the mandatory that I start with the Razorbacks. No other sports were given much consideration, if any, although I was happy to pick South Carolina for both the connection with the Razorbacks and their recent Baseball performance.
I would also pass over teams I have a strong dislike for, like Alabama. I ain't having them fuckers in my Conference.
So when my picks came up, I was looking for the strongest football school left on the board - at this time. Meaning, I ignored historical performance in picking Stanford over say Michigan or Florida State.
I put some thought into my recruiting footprint. I wanted to be able to recruit in Florida, Texas and California, so that was also a factor in some of my choices.
I also gave a nod to trying to have some sort of balance to the whole thing in regards to divisions and rivalries - meaning that some of my choices were informed by who might work out to be a good rival both in and out of the division they are in.
It was pretty consistent that the team I really wanted with a pick would get picked before I got there.
I'm relatively happy with how it turned out. My one regret is picking Boise State over Cincinnati as I would have like to have a stronger recruiting footprint around the Great Lakes region.
So here's what the SmoovP Conference Map looks like. I'll point out some things below.
I used the SEC model for designing the divisional stuff. In the SEC, each team has a 'permanent' cross-divisional rival and a promoted in-divisional rival.
Arkansas and South Carolina play each year from the West and East - all other teams from the East rotate in and out of the Razorbacks schedule with a two-year home-and-away series.
We have an intra-divisional opponent that is promoted as a rivalry. For Arkansas, LSU is promoted as our in-division 'rival' and play each year the Friday after Thanksgiving.
If the rest of you guys want me to make a divisional map, send me your breakdown.
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Diego-Bucks
Lost in Canada
Nice job Muck! Impressive list. I didn't do a spreadsheet of rankings or anything. Generally, I had an idea of what schools to realistically target before hand. A few times I was left scrambling completely after a run of schools that I had listed were taken. The Clemson, TCU and Auburn run had me searching for a decent school, and I think I reached on Kansas a bit (though they do have a ~$1 billion endowment to help my reach). I wanted Maryland and had them targeted, but kept putting off on selecting them.
I ranked schools on endowment, history of championship caliber athletics in as many sports as possible, research output and the type of research conducted (I preferred land grant institutes) and academic rankings. I also considered markets and access to big population bases. I am pretty happy with having strong and rich universities in Florida, Texas and California. I also have Rutgers near the NY City area, Utah in Salt Lake City and the Missouri/Kansas rivalry to help capture the St Louis and Kansas City markets.
Out of all 6 conferences, I'd say my conference is the dominant force on the West Coast. Could have done better in the Big Ten region (currently 0 teams really, maybe Missouri and Louisville count). I wanted to target Minnesota (tasty $2.2 billion endowment) and/or Illinois, but they went before I was ready to take them. Tough to get into the New England region. Boston College didn't quite fit my own personal profile.
It was difficult to scramble for schools though. With all the factors to consider, I also had to fight personal biases. I am ok with most of the schools I picked. I hope all 12 of them will get along, I can already see a voting bloc developing with Florida State and TAMU bonding together to fight the liberal California schools.
I ranked schools on endowment, history of championship caliber athletics in as many sports as possible, research output and the type of research conducted (I preferred land grant institutes) and academic rankings. I also considered markets and access to big population bases. I am pretty happy with having strong and rich universities in Florida, Texas and California. I also have Rutgers near the NY City area, Utah in Salt Lake City and the Missouri/Kansas rivalry to help capture the St Louis and Kansas City markets.
Out of all 6 conferences, I'd say my conference is the dominant force on the West Coast. Could have done better in the Big Ten region (currently 0 teams really, maybe Missouri and Louisville count). I wanted to target Minnesota (tasty $2.2 billion endowment) and/or Illinois, but they went before I was ready to take them. Tough to get into the New England region. Boston College didn't quite fit my own personal profile.
It was difficult to scramble for schools though. With all the factors to consider, I also had to fight personal biases. I am ok with most of the schools I picked. I hope all 12 of them will get along, I can already see a voting bloc developing with Florida State and TAMU bonding together to fight the liberal California schools.
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Diego-Bucks
Lost in Canada
My Conference break down will be East/West.
East:
Florida State
TAMU
Virginia
Wake Forest
Rutgers
Louisville
West:
USC
California
Arizona
Utah
Missouri
Kansas
8 game conference slate following SEC model.
Intra-divisional rivalries are
Florida State-TAMU
Virginia-Wake Forest
Rutgers-Louisville
USC-Cal
Arizona-Utah
Missouri-Kansas
Across division rivalries are:
Florida State-Arizona (Stoops Bowl)
TAMU-Missouri (Get Missouri into recruiting hotbed)
Virginia-California (Prestigious Public Ivy)
Wake Forest-Kansas (Get Kansas into a recruiting hotbed)
Rutgers-USC (Trojans in New York area!)
Louisville-Utah (Red Alert)
East:
Florida State
TAMU
Virginia
Wake Forest
Rutgers
Louisville
West:
USC
California
Arizona
Utah
Missouri
Kansas
8 game conference slate following SEC model.
Intra-divisional rivalries are
Florida State-TAMU
Virginia-Wake Forest
Rutgers-Louisville
USC-Cal
Arizona-Utah
Missouri-Kansas
Across division rivalries are:
Florida State-Arizona (Stoops Bowl)
TAMU-Missouri (Get Missouri into recruiting hotbed)
Virginia-California (Prestigious Public Ivy)
Wake Forest-Kansas (Get Kansas into a recruiting hotbed)
Rutgers-USC (Trojans in New York area!)
Louisville-Utah (Red Alert)
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