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Comparisons between LSU v OSU defensive personnel

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Will you agree you have not see a receiving corps like LSU this year?
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LSU has better depth than most teams. OSU has not faced many deep (in personnel) passing attacks this year. UM's is tossed out with all of their handicaps.
I agree, so there is no DBs that OSU can throw at us that we have not already seen. I do not see any #1 picks in the OSU secondary.
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I don't mind opposing fans not knowing about a new opponent. What baffles me is how you seem to observe things at OSU, and come up with statements like this (or that OSU's offense hasn't changed since last year).

DE Gholston, LB Laurinaitis & CB Jenkins may all be the first picks this draft (as juniors) at their respective positions. Gholston depends on scheme/need (Campbell). Gholston is the only somewhat new name on a national level.
 
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A sampling from the first bunch of mock drafts on hailredskins

10 Laur, 11 Jenkins, 13 Gholston
4 Laur, 6 Jenkins, 15 Gholston
2 Laur, 13 Jenkins, 5 Gholston
12 Laur, 11 Jenkins, 13 Gholston
9 Laur, 12 Jenkins, 11 Gholston
5 Laur, 11 Jenkins, 8 Gholston
 
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sluTiger;1035284; said:
Look, everyone here says there is no speed difference. I agree, so there is no DBs that OSU can throw at us that we have not already seen. I do not see any #1 picks in the OSU secondary. Am I wrong?
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Good grief, please stop posting before doing your homework. Jenkins is considered by most to be one of, if not the, best pro prospect amongst CB's in the nation.
 
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Have a few disagreements with the rankings. I am not one that thinks you can go by tackles to gage the effectiveness or ability of a player, and that seems to be your only criteria. Tackles for CB's can be bad because that means they let their man catch the ball. I'd give Jenkins the definite edge, but would say that Jackson and Zenon are probably better than whoever OSU starts across form Jenkins. I would also give the edge to Tyson Jackson over Heyward. I think you underestimate Jackson, he has first round potential(the dreaded P word). And, of course,I would not call Ghoulson and Pittman close. Ghoulson wins that one pretty easy. Opposing O's pay more attention to Jackson than they do Pittman and that is shown in the stats. I am not even going to compare the DT's. I'd give Laurinitis a slight edge over Highsmith but they play different positions. Highsmith has a pretty decent chance to go in the first himself this year, and I'd still say Beckwith is LSU's best linebacker. Just one fan's opinion.
 
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I really appreciate what most of the LSU fans have brought to this board. As has been observed by myself and others, this is the best group of fans from another team since the series with Texas (and they may have actually out-done their brethern to the west).

But just as the Longhorn fans came along with xrayrandy, so the LSU fans have brought their own version. Among the many, many silly statements about OSU, the Big 10 and The Game; the claim that VPI was the best defense faced by LSU this year is among the worst made: not because it was the most ridiculous, but because an LSU fan should know better.

Differential Total Defense
  • Auburn #3
  • Va. Tech #10
Differential Scoring Defense
  • Auburn #2
  • Va. Tech #6

For a definition of these terms; see THIS THREAD.
 
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DaddyBigBucks;1036864; said:
I really appreciate what most of the LSU fans have brought to this board. As has been observed by myself and others, this is the best group of fans from another team since the series with Texas (and they may have actually out-done their brethern to the west).

But just as the Longhorn fans came along with xrayrandy, so the LSU fans have brought their own version. Among the many, many silly statements about OSU, the Big 10 and The Game; the claim that VPI was the best defense faced by LSU this year is among the worst made: not because it was the most ridiculous, but because an LSU fan should know better.

Differential Total Defense
  • Auburn #3
  • Va. Tech #10
Differential Scoring Defense
  • Auburn #2
  • Va. Tech #6
For a definition of these terms; see THIS THREAD.
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First, I'm not much of a statistics person. But the statement that Va Tech is the best D we faced this year is beyond ludicrous. We hung 48 on them and almost 600 yards in total offense.
 
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ray6072;1036692; said:
Have a few disagreements with the rankings. I am not one that thinks you can go by tackles to gage the effectiveness or ability of a player, and that seems to be your only criteria. Tackles for CB's can be bad because that means they let their man catch the ball. I'd give Jenkins the definite edge, but would say that Jackson and Zenon are probably better than whoever OSU starts across form Jenkins. I would also give the edge to Tyson Jackson over Heyward. I think you underestimate Jackson, he has first round potential(the dreaded P word). And, of course,I would not call Ghoulson and Pittman close. Ghoulson wins that one pretty easy. Opposing O's pay more attention to Jackson than they do Pittman and that is shown in the stats. I am not even going to compare the DT's. I'd give Laurinitis a slight edge over Highsmith but they play different positions. Highsmith has a pretty decent chance to go in the first himself this year, and I'd still say Beckwith is LSU's best linebacker. Just one fan's opinion.
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Thanks for the opinion! I really appriciate it. I agree that Gholston is definately better than Pittman. In these decisions, you can't put any shoulda, woulda, or couldas in this. Saying someone is better by saying that they have better potential is a hard thing to swallow in this situation. In your theory, Heyward is definately better because he (as a freshman) has more potential than Jackson (who is a junior). The only "stat" to use in all these situations is tackles.
 
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Nordberg;1036993; said:
The only "stat" to use in all these situations is tackles.
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Sorry but I agree with the Tiger on this one.

The type of defensive scheme a team runs has a lot to do with who is getting the majority of the tackles. If a team is deliberately set up to funnel plays to the MLB, he's going to get the bulk of the tackles. Does that mean he's a better linebacker than the two inside guys running out of a 3-4 who individually have fewer stops?

I don't particularly want to fall into the Nittany fallacy of "our LB is better than yours because he had more tackles (even though he was selected behind your guy on all-conference teams and went much later in the draft) !
 
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Ok, perhaps i should clarify on Jackson a little more. Tyson was a first rounder on many mocks going into the season because of his total game, and this as a junior. He was all-sec as a sophomore with 8 and a half sacks and 37 tackles, ten of those for loss. The coaching staff has said he has a better overall game this year than he had last year, but the stats haven't been there. I guess that could be taken a number of ways, but if you had the opportunity to go after him and dorsey, or the other side of the line, which way would you run? Pittman gets a lot of stats because people choose to go after him. I think perhaps potential for Jackson is a bad word because he is already quite good, but he could be that much better, too. He makes stupid penalties at the wrong time for one. He is a total defensive end though, with size and speed.
 
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sluTiger;1035024; said:
OSU will not have DBs better than what our receiving corps faced in the SEC. LSU defiantly have the advantage in this department.
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His only source must be ESPN and Mark Mark.

People's ignorance at times just astounds me. Can anyone imagine going to an LSU board and making statements like this without at first doing at least a small amount of research? Wow.
 
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