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Columbus Blue Jackets (Official Thread)

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I disagree with the talent argument. The d-corp isn't good, but there is enough skill in the top-6 that there is no excuse to be as bad offensively as they are.

Regardless of what else happened, replacing Voracek with Jeff Carter should not result in a worse offense.

Numby, it is my opinion that you are greatly over-estimating the effort level and guts of this sack of crap team.

Every player on the team is having their worst year. How the fuck does that happen? :lol:
 
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Bucky Katt;2116618; said:
I disagree with the talent argument. The d-corp isn't good, but there is enough skill in the top-6 that there is no excuse to be as bad offensively as they are.

Regardless of what else happened, replacing Voracek with Jeff Carter should not result in a worse offense.

Numby, it is my opinion that you are greatly over-estimating the effort level and guts of this sack of crap team.

Every player on the team is having their worst year. How the fuck does that happen? :lol:
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There's a pretty big gap in talent between this team and a contender. I stand by that. The top 6 looked like it was going to be good.. but it was reliant on Carter being a willing participant. He was not. Brassard is not a #1, Umberger looks bad, Huselius doesn't play hockey, Vermette had regressed, Johansen is still green, Prospal is good. I still don't think there's another top-line player there. A bunch of second/third line tweeners? Sure. NHL level talent? Absolutely. But, they're a bunch of players being put in situations they should not be put in. Same goes for the defense. Tyutin should be not be expected to take care of other teams' top lines. The team just isn't put together well and still has some major talent issues. No depth at all.

EDIT: I said contender in the first sentence and meant playoff team.
 
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3074326;2116623; said:
There's a pretty big gap in talent between this team and a contender. I stand by that. The top 6 looked like it was going to be good.. but it was reliant on Carter being a willing participant. He was not. Brassard is not a #1, Umberger looks bad, Huselius doesn't play hockey, Vermette had regressed, Johansen is still green, Prospal is good. I still don't think there's another top-line player there. A bunch of second/third line tweeners? Sure. NHL level talent? Absolutely. But, they're a bunch of players being put in situations they should not be put in. Same goes for the defense. Tyutin should be not be expected to take care of other teams' top lines. The team just isn't put together well and still has some major talent issues. No depth at all.

EDIT: I said contender in the first sentence and meant playoff team.
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In your opinion what's the deal with Umberger? Injured?
 
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brodybuck21;2116630; said:
In your opinion what's the deal with Umberger? Injured?
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3074326;2116633; said:
No idea.. hopefully just an off-year.
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Well, like Nash...doesn't the question have to be asked how good is he really? I really like R.J., but I think he fits into the realm of third line guy that they expect too much from. The Jackets lead the world in third line guys...unfortunately they have only 1 or 2 first and second line guys.
 
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How many other teams in the league routinely pick up other teams scraps off the waiver wire and then play them 20 minutes a night. Our talent stinks and it starts at the top. Poor scouting, drafting, all the way down. Half of the lineup are waiver pickups, if there are that many guys out there on waivers better that the guys we "built" the team with then people need to lose their jobs.

I have no problem with Nash asking out. He sees the way this team is, and has been run and he has no confidence that they can build a winner. He may very well be part of the problem, but by the way he handled his presser today I think he realizes that.
 
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Buck Nasty;2116687; said:
How many other teams in the league routinely pick up other teams scraps off the waiver wire and then play them 20 minutes a night. Our talent stinks and it starts at the top. Poor scouting, drafting, all the way down. Half of the lineup are waiver pickups, if there are that many guys out there on waivers better that the guys we "built" the team with then people need to lose their jobs.

I have no problem with Nash asking out. He sees the way this team is, and has been run and he has no confidence that they can build a winner. He may very well be part of the problem, but by the way he handled his presser today I think he realizes that.
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Totally agree with all of this. The Jackets front office have always tried to get top tier talents out of 3rd line guys. Besides Nash and Carter, we have never had top tier/All-Star type of players. We basically take the players contenders don't want and try to make a contending team out of them. The one year we did make the players, all our players over-achieved and everything just fell into place.

I totally understand Nash wanting to get out. He's put his whole career into this team, but the front office isn't giving him any help. As people have said, he has never had a true top line to play with, or a real goalie in net. Nash can do alot, but he can't do everything. By signing the long term contact, he was basically telling the fans and front office I'm here to stay as long as you give me some help...i'm in it for the long run. Howson agreed to those terms, but has not lived up to them. Howson needs to find top tier quality players that want to play with Nash and turn a team around.

On another note, who is in charge of development for the Jackets? We get some great young talent, but they never do anything for us. I feel like if Brassard was on a contender team he would be a much better player. We have a great opportunity in this upcoming draft to make some big moves (I'll give Howson some credit for that), but without the proper development it won't go anywhere. Looks like we are going to get the #1 pick, but if that guy needs any help/development we are screwed. I think we got lucky with Nash because he just has amazing natural talent.
 
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I can't bring myself to be mad at Nash as he didn't make himself captain. What's he going to say? Take the C away from me, coach, I'm not a leader. He showed that he wanted to be here and management did nothing for him. He's not a game changer. I agree with the poster that said he isn't as good as we are all making him out to be. He's a great hockey player on a team full of shitty players. He's been there and knows how the organization is being run and he wants out. I think that speaks volumes.

I don't know what this team needs anymore. I know that Howson is responsible for creating it and it's the worst team in the league by far. He obviously didn't do his homework on Carter. He banked on Mason for some reason after Mason had been the worst goaltender in the league for 2 years. He banked on a coach with 0 NHL experience. He fired a Stanley Cup winning coach. They lead the league in waiver wire pick ups who come in and play big minutes.

I just don't know. Gonna go watch the Wings game I suppose.

 
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ysubuck;2116806; said:
I can't bring myself to be mad at Nash as he didn't make himself captain. What's he going to say? Take the C away from me, coach, I'm not a leader. He showed that he wanted to be here and management did nothing for him. He's not a game changer. I agree with the poster that said he isn't as good as we are all making him out to be. He's a great hockey player on a team full of shitty players. He's been there and knows how the organization is being run and he wants out. I think that speaks volumes.
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him wanting out does speak volumes and it tells the management that they need to shit or get off the pot.

As for the statement in bold, if he were to land in Detroit with Datsyuk and Z, he'd score 60 goals per year if not more.

He has all of the skills, but in his make up he needs players around him to feed him. Until he has that he will still get his goals but he won't be spectacular.
 
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BuckeyeMike80;2116831; said:
He has all of the skills, but in his make up he needs players around him to feed him. Until he has that he will still get his goals but he won't be spectacular.
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I actually strongly disagree with this. In my IMO, in his IMO, he needs to do absolutely everything, regardless of who is on the line with him.

He tries to do everything and as a result, he struggles because he is constantly double-team and his linemates struggle because they never get the puck.

When he plays with all stars and doesn't try to carry the world on his shoulders, he's much better.
 
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Bucky Katt;2116848; said:
I actually strongly disagree with this. In my IMO, in his IMO, he needs to do absolutely everything, regardless of who is on the line with him.

He tries to do everything and as a result, he struggles because he is constantly double-team and his linemates struggle because they never get the puck.

When he plays with all stars and doesn't try to carry the world on his shoulders, he's much better.
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That is part and parcel to what I'm saying. Teams won't leave D or Z to cover Nash, so he'll consistently have a one on one situation.

It doesn't have to be Detroit. The Sedin Sisters in Vancouver would have the same effect.
 
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