College Playoff

[Gatorubet]

Pick your fights Gator....you can't win a snowball fight against the North. We have far more resources. Our snowball industrial might will bring the south to it's knees.

Win that fight? Here? Are you daft?

This is purely a ceremonial response, like firing a single shot and retiring from the field leaving it to you snow ball guys....while I go play golf.

 

[BUCKYLE]

Win that fight? Here? Are you daft?

This is purely a ceremonial response, like firing a single shot and retiring from the field leaving it to you snow ball guys....while I go play golf.

You're elementary knowledge of snowballs is laughable. If we dip the snowballs in water, they turn into ice balls. Ice balls will last long enough for "snowman's march to the sea". Atlanta will freeze.

 

[jwinslow]

So go with your SEC are cowards who are afraid of the snow gig if it makes ya feel better. I will respectfuly disagree and throw a snowball at you in defense of my conference.

Afraid of snow? No. Avoiding challenges? Possibly (at least OOC matchups out of region).

BTW, what is the excuse for the Mutts for staying insulated in their region?

 

[billmac91]

You're elementary knowledge of snowballs is laughable. If we dip the snowballs in water, they turn into ice balls. Ice balls will last long enough for "snowman's march to the sea". Atlanta will freeze.

if frozen snowballs aren't the #1 cause of split lips and face lacerations in the United States, I'd like to see the #1 culprit.

Outisde of Tawny Kitaen of course.....

 

[Gatorubet]

Afraid of snow? No. Avoiding challenges? Possibly (at least OOC matchups out of region).

BTW, what is the excuse for the Mutts for staying insulated in their region?

As I said, SEC schedule, Cocktail Party revenue loss requires one more home game, substitute the gnats for the noles as the yearly ACC have to.

For the 90s, playing FSU every year meant a top 5 team. I rather not play a top 5 team near home than play some far north or west team that is not ranked so highly.

 

[Gatorubet]

You're elementary knowledge of snowballs is laughable. If we dip the snowballs in water, they turn into ice balls. Ice balls will last long enough for "snowman's march to the sea". Atlanta will freeze.

That'd be the first water Atlanta has seen this year.

You might be hailed as heroes.:tongue2:

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Why are the BCS rankings good enough to pick eight teams but not two?

Uh, maybe because leaving putting the wrong team at #8 vice #9 (or, in the usual 16-team format, #17 instead of #16) to leave them on the outside of the playoffs isn't nearly as much an "injustice" (for the lack of a better word) as putting the wrong team at #3 vice #2 in the current BCS format.

All the teams in the current top five of the BCS have a very valid argument of being of the NC game. Actually you could say the top nine teams have a fairly valid argument. Look at all the folks who think Texas got the shaft by not getting selected for the NC game even though they beat Oklahoma on a neutral field and have the same record as them.

No system is perfect, but a playoff is clearly the fairest system out there. Why do you think that every other sport--college and pro--has a playoff system? Name one--just one--other than I-A (FBS) college football that doesn't have some sort of playoff to determine their champion.

 

[BigWoof31]

As opposed to the advantage that most bowl teams enjoy against Big 10 teams: shorter travel distance (or virtual home games - LSU and USC) and shorter lay-offs leading up to the bowl games. I know we've been over this repeatedly - somebody gets screwed either way. However, once in a while I'd like to see someone other than a Big 10 team screwed by the bowl system.

You weren't bitching about it when you were heavily favored against Florida in 2006 and had more fans in the facility.
It's funny how a couple of rough endings to exciting season automatically creates MONSTER hurdles that screw Big 10 teams.

I'm assuming you'd argue just as radically if Virgina Tech played USC in the Rose Bowl or BC played Florida State in Miami.

If so, congrats, I underestimated you. But when you assume it's only Big10 teams that face these problems, you sound petty and self serving.

 

[BigWoof31]

As I said, SEC schedule, Cocktail Party revenue loss requires one more home game, substitute the gnats for the noles as the yearly ACC have to.

For the 90s, playing FSU every year meant a top 5 team. I rather not play a top 5 team near home than play some far north or west team that is not ranked so highly.

Except for that time we went to Tempe - what year was that again?
And that time we opened up in Stillwater.....I think that's coming around soon.

 

[Buckeyefrankmp]

If there were a home field advantage in the first round (or first two rounds if a 16 team playoff was used) for the higher seed, then the regular season would become VERY important.

I agree with this part of a proposed playoff system. I don' t know if an Ohio State fan would travel three straight weeks to, lets say, California, Arizona or Florida. That would be a little expensive. I could see a lot of non sellout games. At least with home field advantage, fans of that team would fill their own stadium. Plus, cities North of the 34th latitude would get an economic boost.

 

[methomps]

Why are the BCS rankings good enough to pick eight teams but not two?

It isn't so much how the BCS chooses the two teams as the assumption that 119 teams will play very different 12-game schedules and leave you with only two teams worthy of consideration for the NC.

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[Buckeneye]

You weren't bitching about it when you were heavily favored against Florida in 2006 and had more fans in the facility.

Seeing as how it was a neutral site with considerable traveling distance for both teams, no, you won't hear much bitching when that happens.

But when the last two SEC champions have virtual home games for the title, then yeah, most have a pretty solid reason for a gripe.

 

[Jake]

We don't need no stinkin' playoff, as was proven when Appalachian State defeated James Madison last night in...wait, weren't they ranked 1-2 in the polls? What do you mean they didn't play in the FCS NC game? They lost in the playoffs, at home, to Richmond and Montana?

The voters knew who the top two teams were and we didn't just let them play each other. Stupid playoff ruined everything by letting the teams sort themselves out on the field, instead of the ballot box. What kind of sport would do such a thing?

 

[BB73]

Fiu says that a playoff is a ways off.

cfn

Are we any closer to a playoff? Not even a little bit.

Be prepared for yet another off-season of angst, disappointment, and general grumpiness.

A case could be made that college football does a better overall job of determining who a champion should be, mainly because the fluke factor is taken out of the equation. There's no chance for a No. 6 seeded wild-card team to get hot at the right time and steal a title, and there's no way a team that finished seventh in its own conference can hit all the right buttons and suddenly catch fire on its way to the big game. If you're playing in the BCS Championship, you did something right to get there.

However, the sports' fatal flaw continues to be that the system simply isn't fair; there isn't a level playing field. As last year showed, with unbeaten Utah and Boise State teams unable to get within ten miles of the national title game despite finishing as the only two remaining teams without a blemish after the regular season, it's never going to happen for the little guy.

The argument will always be that champions from the power conferences will have earned their way in to the title game because of the toughness of their schedules and the quality of the competition. If Florida played Boise State's schedule last season, it would've gone unbeaten as well, at least that's the theory, while the Broncos would've had a a few losses had they played in the SEC. That's why every year the politically prudent thing for some elected official to do is to call for a type of legislation to force a playoff. Utah Attorney General Mark Shurtleff tried that in what amounted to yet another foolish and futile effort to change a system that can't be touched, to no avail, and someone will certainly try against next year. Even President Obama threw the idea of a playoff out there in a stance to try to endear himself to the everyman. Of course, he's been a bit preoccupied by other things lately.

But legislation won't work. To bust through the anti-trust rhetoric and all the legal arguments, a team would have to prove that it was discriminated against, and going unbeaten isn't enough. Essentially, a jilted program or conference will have to try to win the never-ending bar room/message board debate that it was the most deserving team to play for it all. So it comes down to this: there isn't going to be a playoff for the foreseeable future because there's no reason for the colleges, the coaches, or the TV types to have one.

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[BB73]

But the Mountain West is rattling the chains.

si.com

MWC pitches playoff to BCS

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The MWC's proposal has four parts. The first creates a new way to determine which conferences receive automatic bids to the big-money bowls.
The current criteria weighs the BCS rankings of teams in each league.

It's a system that makes it difficult for the Mountain West, Western Athletic Conference, Conference USA, the Mid-American Conference and Sun Belt to earn an automatic bid because those teams usually don't fair as well in the major polls, which make up two-thirds of the BCS standings formula.

Under the MWC's proposal, a conference would qualify for an automatic bid if its teams have a winning percentage of at least .400 in games against the current automatic qualifying leagues over a two-year period.

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Under the MWC's proposal, the four current BCS games -- the Sugar, Orange, Rose and Fiesta bowls -- would host the four first-round playoff games. Another BCS bowl would be awarded to a current non-BCS game and would host the lowest ranked of the 10 teams selected in a game with no championship implications.

The semifinals would be played about a week later, with the current BCS bowls given the opportunity to host those games.

The championship game would be played a week after that, and again the current BCS bowls would be given the opportunity to host.

While bowl organizers from the Fiesta, Sugar and Orange bowl have said they would be open to a playoff format, the Rose Bowl -- which has a long-standing and profitable relationship with the Big Ten and Pac-10 -- has been resistant to such change.

The final part of the MWC's proposal calls for each of the 11 major conferences and Notre Dame to have equal representation on the BCS presidential oversight committee and for revenues to be distributed equally among all leagues.

Currently, the five non-BCS conferences have one vote when the BCS makes decisions and those leagues receive millions less from year to year than the big six conferences.

The BCS agreed to a new, four-year TV deal with ESPN last year that will go into effect in 2010. That deal was negotiated using the current BCS format. While ESPN has said it would not stand in the way if the BCS wanted to change, the new deal allows the BCS to put off making any drastic changes until the 2014 season.

The MWC is the only conference that has not signed the new deal with ESPN and has until April 20, 2010, to do so. Thompson said he's not sure how long the conference will hold out.

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