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Zem;1350042; said:
I think whatever team was to play the mid-major in the first round would have an unfair advantage since they would usually have an easier game.

That's their reward for being the #1 team in the country.

Many folks argue that a playoff would lessen or totally negate the meaning of the regular season, but your point supports a playoff system because it shows that the regular season would lose little, if any, "meaning" because the most successful teams get the best (read, "easiest") playoff seedings.
 
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MililaniBuckeye;1352559; said:
That's their reward for being the #1 team in the country.

Many folks argue that a playoff would lessen or totally negate the meaning of the regular season, but your point supports a playoff system because it shows that the regular season would lose little, if any, "meaning" because the most successful teams get the best (read, "easiest") playoff seedings.

I also agree that it doesn't negate the season....how often does tOSU, UF, LSU, Oklahoma, or Texas just roll through their leagues?

Whether it's 8 teams or 16, fringe teams (and fans of fringe teams) will follow college football as much as they always did, if not more, to see if they get into the playoffs.

I'd imagine tOSU lost a few viewers once Penn State eliminated any chance of the National Title. How many of those fans would have had their eyes glued to a televison set to see if tOSU could qualify for the playoffs?

I just don't buy that a playoff system eliminates viewership during the regular season. I would conceed it makes certain games less important(early season OOC games), but down the stretch, I think it would increase ratings in about 20-25 markets as fans wish their teams into the playoffs.
 
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MililaniBuckeye;1352559; said:
That's their reward for being the #1 team in the country.

Many folks argue that a playoff would lessen or totally negate the meaning of the regular season, but your point supports a playoff system because it shows that the regular season would lose little, if any, "meaning" because the most successful teams get the best (read, "easiest") playoff seedings.

#1 based on what though? computers? BS beauty contest polls? actual (*gasp!*) head to head wins? a playoff won't solve anything.
 
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lvbuckeye;1353127; said:
#1 based on what though? computers? BS beauty contest polls? actual (*gasp!*) head to head wins? a playoff won't solve anything.

Uh, BCS rankings...the same rankings they use today to determine the #1 and #2 teams, i.e., the teams that get to the NC game.
 
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Gatorubet;1350428; said:
I agree (make that still agree :biggrin:) with you about the bowl proximity to southern teams. That, IMO, is different from making teams that never play in the snow do so at bowl time. That would be an advantage far greater than a Big-10 team having to play a bowl game in Florida versus an SEC team type advantage.

Whoa, wait a second here. SEC teams play in the cold weather because they choose not to. They're well known for refusing to schedule out of conference games on the road or outside the South. You can't give them the excuse of not being used to playing in cold weather when it is due to their own choices that they are not.

Gatorubet;1350428; said:
Do you guys complain about the Rose Bowl being too Pac-10 friendly too, or is it just the South that is the problem?

Someone already brought that up a few posts back.
 
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HailToMichigan;1353150; said:
Why are the BCS rankings good enough to pick eight teams but not two?

Ha ha, I agree, to me it just might make things 4 times worse :)

As far as that stupid proposed law goes, I don't think it has much of a chance once it gets into the hands of some lawmakers that actually know the law. I get the feeling this guy might not, despite his committee memberships. The BCS and it's bowls are not just a group of poor fellas that can be pushed around, even by congress. This is pretty big business, and they are supported by even larger businesses (their sponsors). Even if this thing were to pass it would end up in the courts for a very long time. So long in fact that it might actually delay the introduction of a playoff since a court order to delay the implementation of the law could possibly lock in the current system until all lawsuits are resolved. To give an indication of the time it could take, the final Exxon Valdeze suite was resolved this past year.
 
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I don't think a playoff system will solve all the problems but it's a moot point. There is no such thing as a perfect system. You are ALWAYS going to have teams on the outside looking in. If it comes down from the brass in the next few years they are going to a playoff, fine. My beef is when lawmakers who don't know their own elbows from assholes try to get involved. How about they worry about fixing the financial crisis and other items on the agenda and leave the football to the university presidents and conference commissioners. Although Delaney is a dingleberry, I've never heard him walk into Congress and tell them how to properly bail out the auto industry. People need to worry about themselves and not butt into situations they don't belong. Especially when those doing the butting in make everything they touch die and burst into flames.
 
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If there were a home field advantage in the first round (or first two rounds if a 16 team playoff was used) for the higher seed, then the regular season would become VERY important. Personally I think the ultimate goal should be a 16 team playoff, where every conference champion gets an automatic birth. The reason here is that every team in the country would have a shot, which they don't now (see Utah and Boise). Maybe those teams aren't as good as OU or Florida, but that doesn't get to be proven on the field. If Utah beats Alabama, are we going to award Utah the national championship? Doubtful. But whether you think Utah can or can't beat Alabama or be the best team in the country isn't the point...the point is that you have to think it, without it getting proven on the field. Nobody has proven they can beat either of these teams. There are 11 conferences right now...so you would still have 5 other spots for at large teams that may have deserves a chance, but didn't win their conference either because of a tiebreaker or the conference was just so good that there was more than just one elite team in it. I think the seedings, and the 5 at-large teams should be chosen by a committe, like the NCAA basketball tourney is...not by a formula.

Right now the BCS Championship game, is not a National Championship...just a championship amoung MOST of the BCS schools...and it doesn't even prove who the best one is, because many times the best team may not be playing in the game.

A 16 team playoff this year would solve a lot of problems for everybody. Texas, Texas Tech, Alabama, hell even Ohio State and maybe TCU would get a shot. It'd really be hard to complain if your team didn't make it.

I think regular season veiwership would go up...because now all these 2 loss and 3 loss teams are playing for something big...instead of just pride. And if you are undefeated, you better stay that way, or else your gonna lose home field advantage in the second round. This years Ohio State v. Michigan game would have been HUGE for us. Cuz a loss would have likely kept us out of the playoffs. Georgia's loss to Georgia Tech...what a huge game and loss that would have been. Any games that would get less viewership during the regular season would be more than made up by the viewship of playoff games.

Heck a lot of people on here seem to think most CFB games are snoozefest anyway unless it's Ohio State. So now some of these "snoozefest games" will become a lot more important!!!
 
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JXC;1353308; said:
If there were a home field advantage in the first round (or first two rounds if a 16 team playoff was used) for the higher seed, then the regular season would become VERY important.
In comparison to the hypothetical, and never before proposed, scenario in which playoff seeds are not connected to season record, ithe regular season would be somewhat more important in your scenario (which is the same as every play-off advocate's scenario). "VERY important" seems like a stretch, as home field advantage, while a nice benefit, is not make-or-break. In comparison to the current, actually existing, system however, a playoff system which tied seed and home field advantage to ranking and record would make the regular season significantly less important. For the simple reason that any loss would not be nearly as damaging as it is now.
 
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Forgive me if something like this has already been suggested.
To be really fair to all and still answer the financial concerns of the schools, AND to fit within the parameters of continuing education at the highest level,
How 'bout this:

-10 week regular season
-2 OOC Games, 8 INC Games /// NO ridiculous BYE WEEKS (USC had 4 Saturdays off this year, 2byes and one Thursday in between 2 Sats)
-2 weeks off for study and/or Thanksgiving
-32 team playoff--top 2 teams in every conference plus 10 at large
BCS rankings determining locked in Home field advantage
-First round 2nd week in December /// 16 losers play consolation games for minimum 11 game season
-Second round 3rd week in December /// 8 losers play consolation for minimum 12 game season
-Third round on and around New Years day /// 4 losers play consolation for minimum 13 game season

-Final 4 first Saturday after New Years Day Neutral field, or in other words selected bowl sites

-Championship and consolation 2nd Saturday after New Years day, selected bowl sites.

General framework. The Granddaddy of them all gets worked in, or it doesn't. Couldn't care less, here.
 
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alpo;1353355; said:
Forgive me if something like this has already been suggested.
To be really fair to all and still answer the financial concerns of the schools, AND to fit within the parameters of continuing education at the highest level,
How 'bout this:
Never happen, here's why: You still have 78 schools playing only a 10-game season. The ones that need the money most, the MAC teams and Sun Belt teams and C-USA teams of the world, are the ones most likely to get shut out of the process and thus play two fewer games. That'll cost them a million or two when they can't travel to the big schools and be paid $600,000 to be sacrificial lambs. Massive attrition from DI-A. I know: that's not necessarily a bad thing, but realistically you still have more than enough schools and conferences that would put a kibosh on that plan before it got off the ground. You've basically removed games from the schedule of all but a slim minority of teams.

Besides, who's going to fill a 100,000 seat stadium in the dead of December to see two teams play a game completely and totally devoid of meaning except to line the athletic department coffers? There's not even the pretense of padding your record or trying to get bowl eligible or play for a better bowl or anything. You've already accomplished everything you can possibly accomplish.

If you really wanted to get revolutionary, this might be fun:

- Grab 8 more teams from DI-AA for a 128 team league.

- Schedule 4-6 games at the beginning of the season. Some of them would be conference games and others would be non-conference, scheduled by the AD as they are now.

- Have a competition committee seed a 128-team bracket during a nationwide bye week, based on last year's results and this year's first few games, taking into account strength of schedule, quality of wins, blah blah blah. You could set up an RPI same as in basketball.

- Play out the tournament. Losing teams return to their regular schedule as determined by the conferences and continue to play out the season. Winning teams continue through the bracket.

- Losing teams then continue to play the regular season just as they do now, but ineligible for the national title, and their conference title too if another team from their conference is still alive.

- The national title game then becomes the result of the bracket. All the bowls are played as they are now. Conference champions can be determined however the conference wants to determine them.

Advantages would be: We get a playoff and we don't ever have to hear the media whine and bitch about it ever again. The bowl system remains almost perfectly intact, and even retains its prestige. Being the Rose Bowl champs would still mean something. The BCS can continue, only without the national championship aspect - it's just a series of championship bowls for conference champions. The regular season still means something, because the playoff is the regular season, and eliminated teams still get to play for a bowl game berth. Everybody gets a shot at being the national champion, and playing a seven-game tournament would probably shut everyone up about who does and doesn't deserve it.

Disadvantages: It'd required wicked amounts of schedule flexibility. The teams' logistics people would really have to earn their paycheck. (But the TV schedulers generally ensure that games don't have a set time until as soon as a week prior anyway.) And a team would be conference champs despite playing maybe as few as three conference games. (Although if you're national champs, you probably would have beat all the fools in your conference anyway.)
 
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buckeyesin07;1353136; said:
Whoa, wait a second here. SEC teams don't play in the cold weather because they choose not to.

I hate to dump all of this fact stuff on you on such short notice, but the reason SEC teams do not play in cold weather much is because it is not fucking cold in the South.

It was in all the papers. :tongue2:

Since we play the vast majority of the games in our conference - in the South - where it is warm - it follows that we do not play in the cold much at all. In UF's case it arises from a combination of a full conference schedule, a mandatory FSU game, and a curiosity where we play in the neutral Cocktail Party in Jacksonville. While a great game, it is not the same revenue producer as a "home" game in the Swamp without the 50/50 Mutt-Gator and better concession revenue. That cold hard revenue fact leads us to try to schedule one more home game to make up the coin.

Also, you ignore the fact that most of us try to help out our local programs the exact same way you schedule Ohio, Youngstown State, Akron, etc. You do not do this to avoid anyone, you do this to help out the local less prestigeous programs, give them a big pay day, and get some regional recruiting dap and goodwill.

We do the exact same thing, and it is for the exact same reason that you do it, and it is not because our ADs went into a room and came up with a nefarious plan to dodge the Parka People.

I will not apologize for the bowls not being in the North. I was not born then, nor was Urban or Nick or Houston. I have a working theory of why that is, and it is the same reason Vandals and Angles and Saxons came South and Spaniards and Greeks did not go North. :p

So go with your SEC are cowards who are afraid of the snow gig if it makes ya feel better. I will respectfuly disagree and throw a snowball at you in defense of my conference.:biggrin:
 
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