College Playoff

[mercer_buckeye]

You mean like play in Florida, Louisiana, California, or Arizona (35 of 42 Super Bowls were played in these 4 states).

That's not the fucking point there's never been a home game. By the way 7 NFL championships decided outside those states, and how many college championships have been? Seems to me like it wouldn't be a problem to play a BCS game up north.

 

[BB73]

Seriously, given your complalint about the inability of nothern schools to create attractive year end bowl venues (:tongue2: here I paraphrase), what sites do you wish upon football fans for early January. Seriously. What cities and stadiums do you think would be good sites for future BCS games?)

The homes of the Bears, Lions, Redskins, Eagles, Giants/Jets, or the Patriots would provide large markets for the games.

Another option is for the BCS to rotate the site of the championship game if there would be an obvious home field advantage. But I realize that they would ever relent on marketing advantages of having the site predetermined in order to have a more neutral location, so that will never happen.

 

[Gatorubet]

That's not the fucking point there's never been a home game. By the way 7 NFL championships decided outside those states, and how many college championships have been? Seems to me like it wouldn't be a problem to play a BCS game up north.

Detroit in Winter. What's not to love?:tongue2:

 

[mercer_buckeye]

Why are people pussies about the weather? I've gone to a hundred high school games where it was freezing and your outside all night. The question you have to ask yourself is, is this about giving a fair shake to the kids actually playing in the game or is this about your fucking vacation?

 

[Fungo Squiggly]

Detroit in Winter. What's not to love?:tongue2:

Detroit. Winter. Two of the worst things in the world. These SEC guys make a good point. :p

 

[Gatorubet]

The homes of the Bears, Lions, Redskins, Eagles, Giants/Jets, or the Patriots would provide large markets for the games.

Another option is for the BCS to rotate the site of the championship game if there would be an obvious home field advantage. But I realize that they would ever relent on marketing advantages of having the site predetermined in order to have a more neutral location, so that will never happen.

Well, your point is very well taken. But the bowls are a year long process. You would not believe the amount of work that goes into these things. To move a venue to another part of the country at the last minute would leave fans having to reschedule flights and hotels and tickets, as the venues do not hold the same numbers of fans. The shear unworkability of it is the problem. Actually, the strangle hold the Bowls have on the deal with their ESPN and network butt buddies is the speed bump.

But having said that, if you play in a dome, what difference does it make where you play? I think that the LSU Superdome thing was just a weird anomaly.

 

[mercer_buckeye]

But having said that, if you play in a dome, what difference does it make where you play?

Man have you read any of this thread?

 

[Nutriaitch]

That's not the fucking point there's never been a home game.

3 times, a team played the Super Bowl in their home state.
The L.A. Rams played one in the Rose Bowl.
If that doesn't count, then remove USC from the list of teams playing "home" games in college.
Twice, teams played in a Super Bowl the year before their home stadium hosted.
The NFL has gotten lucky that there has never been an official "home" game in the Super Bowl.

 

[sandgk]

that is almost impossible to accomplish, unless the game rotates around between 65 different stadiums. How else would you even come close to making it a fair shot for all BCS teams to host?

You don't need to rotate the games through 65 stadia to provide a higher degree of venue fairness.

You just need to include in the rotation other venues that are presently not in the group of historical bowl venues.
Like:
Lucas Oil Stadium - Indianapolis

Ford Field - Detroit

Edward Jones Dome - St. Louis

Last (and maybe least until Viking Stadium is built) Hubert Humphrey Dome - Minneapolis.

Other's would be in the running if they ever got their act together and put a retractable roof on existing facilities (Chiefs, Giants stadia for instance).

Though in the "Sun Belt" I wouldn't give a thumbs down to the new Dallas Stadium once finished.

Well tell me how many NFL teams have played a super bowl at home huh? Maybe a schedule like that would fucking work, I don't know. Let's see the super bowl is 42 years old, the BCS is ten. There's never been a home game super bowl EVER! Your team has had two. Surely if we got the Los Alamos and MIT staff together put em in a room and kicked em in the ass they could come with a solution to this impossible dilemma.

It is true that the NFL tries to rotate the Super Bowl sites. One reason that arose was to better distribute money amongst the candidate host cities. As for why no team has ever had a "home" field advantage, that seems like a simple anomaly, coupled with the early days when the Super Bowl rotated through relatively few stadia.
(Correction Nutriarch beat me to this LA Rams, 1980 - not that it helped them).
Which leads to this thought, tell me how many stadia have held multiple Super Bowls? A relative handful, all in the South.

Twenty-five out of forty-one Super Bowls have been played in one of three cities: New Orleans, Louisiana (nine times), the Greater Miami Area (nine total), and the Greater Los Angeles Area (seven total). The three "big" hosts are then followed by Tampa, Florida and San Diego, both having hosted the Super Bowl three times.

Bringing my thoughts together, it wouldn't take all those MidWest or Northern Dome stadia to redress the balance. Two such venues in the existing rotation would be a great start (Indy and St Louis being optimum), three would be probably just right unless the NYG get's a roof on a New Meadowlands (which seems unlikely).

 

[Gatorubet]

Man have you read any of this thread?

Sorry. Was trying to address the playing in snow thing. While I think that a team that does not play in snow is disadvantaged by playing a late game in snow, I do not think with the universality of indoor practice facilities that a northern team is disadvantaged by playing in a warmer environment like a dome. The bowl being at your opponent's home field is an obvious problem, and nobody is arguing that is not a problem.

Damn clients, calling about me! me!! me!!! and distracting my thoughts when i am tryhihg to type football board shit.

 

[mercer_buckeye]

We could go on ad nauseam about this topic. Let's face the facts football is to be played under any conditions that is not dangerous to the players. Many of us live in the midwest I think we can all attest that the cold of winter will not kill you during a three hour game. As far as a warm weather team playing the snow after not doing it all year I will say OSU's last 7 games are played at below 50 degrees. If we can deal with the heat, your boys can break out the wool socks and come play some football the way it was invented. I must go to work goodnight. Walla I'm gone

 

[Nutriaitch]

Many of us live in the midwest I think we can all attest that the cold of winter will not kill you during a three hour game.

I don't know, I'm fucking miserable and feel like dying if the temp drops below 60.

 

[DaddyBigBucks]

Why are people pussies about the weather? I've gone to a hundred high school games where it was freezing and your outside all night. The question you have to ask yourself is, is this about giving a fair shake to the kids actually playing in the game or is this about your fucking vacation?

I agree with most of the points you've made, and I even agree with the point that your last sentence makes. The truth is though, it is all about the vacation (metaphorically). Not to me, not to you, but to the people who make these decisions.

It would be nice if it were more about being fair. But it's not. Fairness on the field is of very little value in this process.

Most people seem to think of bowl promoters/producers as a different species. Think for a moment what you would do if you were in their shoes. You have a pile of money to spend. Do you want to throw it away on a venue that will attract much less interest tourism-wise and offers less flexibility for the TV production of the game? They may have more money than you and I, but they don't want to throw away millions any more than you or I want to throw away hundreds.

At this point in the discussion, most proposals simply impose requirements on the bowl promoters/producers that basically dictate to them how they are to spend their money. This is where the people with the purse-strings simply cinch them tight and take the purse somewhere else. These guys own the ball. If they take the ball and go home, there is no game.

Shall we MAKE them invest their money the way WE want? That, my friends, is the economic definition of fascism. We don't really want to go where that leads.

Any proposal has to be something that will produce a profit. If profit is a dirty word to you... well first-off I feel sorry for you; but more to the point, that doesn't matter. After appeasement of the college presidents and conference commisioners, profit is the #1 requirement of any system proposed. The requirement to appease the bureaucrats is a hell of a lot more pernicious; but it is also the reason that a play-off is inevitable. Jim Delaney et. al. won't live forever.

 

[buckeyemania11]

The way I see it, If you have a loss you have NO COMPLAINT about being left out of the title game, having a loss means that you didint get your business done

the only team that maybe has a legit claim about being left out of the title game is Auburn in 2004, but they played a terrible OOC schedule and USC and OU were ranked ahead of them all season, so that is just a tough luck situation

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

mathematically, the odds of LSU being in the BCG CG in '11 (next time New Orleans hosts) is 1.5% (1/65 BCS teams)
I'd say that's decent odds that the Dome will be a neutral site.

You can throw out about 50+ of those "BCS teams" being in the title game. The fact that you've played in two NC games in four years and both of them being "at home", and that USC played a NC game on their home field in between those two games, shows your stats are flawed. In fact, three of the last five NC games had a "home team" playing in them.