College Playoff

[Gatorubet]

It's OK to schedule a W vs a lower division foe like the Citadel as long as you balance that with some upper tier match ups versus stronger teams, like Louisiana Tech and UL-Monroe.

Of course, the SOS numbers are readily available, and they are what they are, and all of the talk about rent-a-wins is either dispelled or confirmed by that number.

 

[Buckeneye]

Good stuff, the SEC and ACC push for a change. The current system originates from the SEC, which is just now a decade old... and the SEC champion has won the last two championship games.

Shit, I'd be complaining to.


While I agree about some gripes with the BCS, there's potential flaws in every system. Florida jumped Michigan in 06, and thanks to the Gators, LSU was given the shot at being the first 2 loss team to go the title.

The SEC has had the better end of the stick 2/3 times.... yet that's were the primary noise is coming from.

Perhaps thats just me though.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

the solution to that dilemma is "DON'T SCHEDULE THE FUCKING CITADEL."

Houston (one of Oklahoma's OOC opponents in 2004) wasn't much better, if at all, than the Citadel.

The point is that Auburn had a legitimate gripe about being left out (they played better against their SEC opponents than did Oklahoma against their Big 12 opponents).

 

[lvbuckeye]

haha. i will at least give Tennecleat (and Arkansas too, now that i think about it) some props in this regard. they actually went out and scheduled a game against a good opponent outside of Dixie... the only other SEC schools to do that in the 25 years or so that i've been aware of college football are Kentucky and Vanderbilt... because they are the bottom feeders and provide fodder for the upper echelon... and what happened to Tennecleat and Arkansas when they left Dixie to play a good OOC opponent?? they both got WHACKED by the Pac Ten.

when was the last time Georgia or Florida or Alabama played a non-conference, non-bowl game outside of Dixie?

don't tell me that home field (or home area, if you want to mince words and argue semantics) advantage doesn't exist...

 

[methomps]

Good! Fuck ESPN and their incessant whining for a CFB playoff! This is a sport where fans are still arguing over who was the true champion in some season decades ago, and that endless conversation is great for the sport.

2002 wasn't "decades ago."

 

[Nutriaitch]

Um really didn't Miami play in the Orange bowl for a title, didn't USC play for a title in Rose Bowl, and then as you mentioned this year's championship. It's not as if it doesn't happen.

Of course it does happen. But at least the odds have been lessened since the BCS. Coincidentally, both times we've made the games were the years that the dome hosted. had those two runs been in any other year, we have no homefield advantage.

A fan whose team has played in 2 BCS Title games, both in New Orleans, should be able to see that advantage.

Without a doubt it's an advantage. But that's more luck than anything else that our runs coincide with New Orleans being the site. It's alwas possible for us to meet USC in the Rose, or Az St. in Glendale, or even Thug U down in Miami.

 

[Dryden]

haha. i will at least give Tennecleat (and Arkansas too, now that i think about it) some props in this regard. they actually went out and scheduled a game against a good opponent outside of Dixie... the only other SEC schools to do that in the 25 years or so that i've been aware of college football are Kentucky and Vanderbilt... because they are the bottom feeders and provide fodder for the upper echelon... and what happened to Tennecleat and Arkansas when they left Dixie to play a good OOC opponent?? they both got WHACKED by the Pac Ten.

when was the last time Georgia or Florida or Alabama played a non-conference, non-bowl game outside of Dixie?

don't tell me that home field (or home area, if you want to mince words and argue semantics) advantage doesn't exist...

Well, Alabama went out to Pasadena to play UCLA sometime recently when UCLA was good, and they also went to Norman to play Oklahoma recently too, plus a couple trips out to Hawaii in the years they knew they couldn't be going to bowls, so Alabama does schedule.

Florida and Georgia are laughable, though.

In the past 10 years (since the BCS started in 1998), Florida has played 34 regular season OOC games. 28 have been in Gainesville, 5 in Tallahassee, and 1 in Miami. Have not played a single regular season OOC opponent from a BCS conference other than Florida State or Miami, so Florida has not only not left Dixie, they haven't even left the state of Florida.

Georgia also has played 34 regular season OOC games since 1998. 28 have been in Athens, 5 in Atlanta, and 1 in Clemson, SC.

 

[Nutriaitch]

We've been to Arizona twice, Va. Tech once, and Notre Dame once since '98. (yes one of our trips to Arizona was scheduled as a home game until that whore Katrina paid a visit).

 

[Dryden]

2002 wasn't "decades ago."

Just because Trev Alberts told you Iowa was the best team doesn't make it so.

 

[Gatorubet]

haha. i will at least give Tennecleat (and Arkansas too, now that i think about it) some props in this regard. they actually went out and scheduled a game against a good opponent outside of Dixie... the only other SEC schools to do that in the 25 years or so that i've been aware of college football are Kentucky and Vanderbilt... because they are the bottom feeders and provide fodder for the upper echelon... and what happened to Tennecleat and Arkansas when they left Dixie to play a good OOC opponent?? they both got WHACKED by the Pac Ten.

when was the last time Georgia or Florida or Alabama played a non-conference, non-bowl game outside of Dixie?

don't tell me that home field (or home area, if you want to mince words and argue semantics) advantage doesn't exist...

That lack of wanderlust did not seem to negatively affect us in our last outing.

Our SOS is never bad, and our deliberate decision to bring in revenue producing rent-a-wins for non-conference home games is just that - a financial decision to allow us to keep up in the facilities war, and to avoid raising ticket prices (and the right to buy tickets fees) even more.

Having played the Noles every year when they were in their dynasty period makes up for it, IMO, and the lack of a strong Nole and scUM south team this year was not foreseen when we inked the schedule back then.

I assume that you guys scheduled your Ohio cupcakes to make money for your program, and as a favor to the in-state programs to let the little guy make some money it would not earn any other way but to go to the power's field for a check. We do it, you do it, and many others do it. Nothing wrong with it and it fact I think it is great for Ohio.

UT, UF, and LSU have won BCS titles on the field despite our regional play. When we quit winning championhips it will be time to address the perceived problems with our scheduling.

No offense, but that scheduling thingy does not seem to be a problem for us at the moment.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Of course it does happen. But at least the odds have been lessened since the BCS. Coincidentally, both times we've made the games were the years that the dome hosted. had those two runs been in any other year, we have no homefield advantage.
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Without a doubt it's an advantage. But that's more luck than anything else that our runs coincide with New Orleans being the site. It's alwas possible for us to meet USC in the Rose, or Az St. in Glendale, or even Thug U down in Miami.

LSU, USC, UCLA, Miami, and Arizona State have a one-in-four chance of playing for the NC on their home field (well, LSU not quite "home field" but close enough). The other 115 I-A teams will never play for the NC on their home field. The fact that a team gets to play a game of that magnitude on their home field is a distinct and unfair advantage.

 

[mercer_buckeye]

LSU, USC, UCLA, Miami, and Arizona State have a one-in-four chance of playing for the NC on their home field (well, LSU not quite "home field" but close enough). The other 115 I-A teams will never play for the NC on their home field. The fact that a team gets to play a game of that magnitude on their home field is a distinct and unfair advantage.

That pretty much sums up my argument!

 

[BB73]

WTF?? Sunbelt?

Bill, you seem to complain because you guys chose to link yourself with the "Grand Daddy of them all" for all of those years. I don't know what to say, as it was your own doing.

All of the BCS Title locations are in warm weather, the "Sun Belt" is a common term to describe it, all the way to Arizona and California. I sure wasn't referring to the conference. You live in it, but didn't know what I meant - WTF right back at y'all.

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The Sun Belt, highlighted in red

As far as the "you guys chose to link with the 'Granddaddy'" thing, that happened right after WWII, when the bowl games were NOT a factor in which teams were determined to be the national champions; that didn't happen regualarly until 1968 in the AP, and until 1974 with the Coaches Poll.

The Bowl system was started to draw vacationers into Southern area during a cold weather holiday period - the Big Ten's arrangement with the Rose Bowl wasn't made with the knowledge that the Bowl Games would be factored in to the NC picture. The Rose, Orange, and Sugar Bowls are were in place even before the AP started to name a national champion.

The media types (AP voters) pushed for that to happen, and from that point on, the real advantage of teams in the Southern areas for Bowl Games became meaningful.

And while LSU or Florida may have to play USC in the Rose Bowl under the current format, they also have the chance at a virtual 'home' game, which has already happened twice for fortuitous LSU, and there is currently zero chance of tOSU ever having a similar advantage.

I realize that the current BCS system is better for tOSU than what was in place from 1968-1997, and I am not a playoff advocate (I could live with the 'plus-1' model), but if there are any changes to the method of determining the college national champion, I believe an attempt to remove the advantage of the Southern teams should be incorporated into that change.

 

[Nutriaitch]

LSU, USC, UCLA, Miami, and Arizona State have a one-in-four chance of playing for the NC on their home field

mathematically, the odds of LSU being in the BCG CG in '11 (next time New Orleans hosts) is 1.5% (1/65 BCS teams)
I'd say that's decent odds that the Dome will be a neutral site.

 

[BB73]

mathematically, the odds of LSU being in the BCG CG in '11 (next time New Orleans hosts) is 1.5% (1/65 BCS teams)
I'd say that's decent odds that the Dome will be a neutral site.

Mathematically, the odds of LSU's two BCS title games in the last 10 years being in New Orleans was less than 7% (3/10 times 2/9), but it happened.

The more meaningful statistic is that if LSU makes another BCS Title game, they have a 25% chance of being in New Orleans again.

The odds for tOSU and most of the other teams is zero. The BCS has improved the fairness (we're not idiots, we realize that ). But things are not yet fair. If the system is going to change, it should be made as fair as possible.