Not a fan of the expansion to 12, but Conf Champ gets SF home field advantage ? Sounds good to me.
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Zurp
I have misplaced my pants.
I love college football. I want more college football. But when it comes to championships, I don't like the idea of the so-called "champion" being the same team that lost to that *ichigan team or that Oregon team. And really nothing against those teams, but you don't lose that way and have a shot at a championship. And yeah - Georgia was better, but in any given day, any team can win. If Baylor gets in there or Appy State or Georgia Tech or Akron U - I don't care - if they don't have a regular season worthy of a championship, I'd rather they don't even have a shot at a championship. I know Cinderellas are fun, but I don't think they're good.
Crazy Grandpa Car!!!
Only the first round gets home field advantage. So if you're a top 4 team, you don't get a home game - you're going right to bowl games.
Basically, the bowl games don't want to lose 8 of the top 12 teams. Losing 4 of the top 12 teams is bad enough. I think the bowls should go eat a dog turd in a hot dog bun - put the first 2 rounds in home stadiums.
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Ahh, I misunderstood one of the 2021 hypothetical images.
Screw this then. If we're doing this, just burn the bowl system to the ground. Even in the QF, we're dependent on arbitrary "eye tests" to get home field advantage -- and we already know that will never happen. No northern team will get that benefit. USCs, Arizonas, Texas', Floridas, etc. will always magically get the higher rankings.
The SF home field advantage, had it existed, provided an option to decide it all on the field and take location out of the hands of dumb polls.
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LovelandBuckeye
You never lose to those pricks. Ever. Ever. - UFM
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BuckTwenty
Parties with Pete Johnson's Beard
I like the College Football Nerds and respect their opinions, while also taking them with an SEC-sized grain of salt (they're homers and they are self aware)
The big X-Factor in this tournament is injuries (and to a lesser extent opt-outs) from playing such difficult teams back-to-back-to-back, and the Nerds didn't account for that at all in those projections. For instance, Georgia & Alabama meeting in the "final four" round would have been a sledgehammer game that would have softened up the winner a LOT for the championship game (i.e. Ohio State vs Clemson softening OSU up for Alabama in the championship game in 2020), whoever they might play. I'm not saying Georgia wouldn't win the championship in that scenario, but the game would be much closer than it would otherwise
Also in that "elite 8" round, an overconfident Alabama with a mediocre O-Line vs Oklahoma State's aggressive & stingy D would have been a banger and not a blowout like the Nerds would have you believe. And that would have been a #1 vs #9 matchup
Regardless, I'm watching each and every game in this tournament as a college football addict. And giving more teams a legitimate shot to make the playoffs is great for the game instead of being predictably dominated by 4-5 teams every year
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TampaBuckeyes
Assistant Coach
They keep saying that we will have a ton of blowouts, but any matchup between top 12 teams has a potential to be great. There will be some blowouts, but also a ton of great games, and I will be watching almost every one (I probably won’t watch the all-sec matchups as I haven’t in any of the playoffs so far)
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Zurp
I have misplaced my pants.
I respectfully disagree.
I think that 12 teams is too many. That said, I'll watch every game, as well, even when both teams are SEC teams, because I love college football. But 12 teams is too many. The point of the playoff is to ensure that the "best" team in the country has a shot to win the championship. I don't think we had that every year with the BCS - we seemed to argue a lot that the "best" team was left out. 1998, Ohio State was left out. 2003, USC was left out. 2004, Auburn was left out. 2001, I remember Nebraska was in despite not winning their conference, but I forget if we argued that someone else should be in. 2006, *ichigan fans whined, but no one listened. HA! 2008, there was an argument that Texas belonged in the championship game over Oklahoma. With the 4-team playoff, it is very rare that the "best" team is left out. Yeah, there was some arguing in 2014 about whether Ohio State should be in over Baylor or TCU, but did anyone think that Baylor or TCU was the "best" team? 2015, maybe Ohio State COULD have been the "best" team, but they're tough to defend given the results of the season. I think maybe UCF going undefeated back-to-back years (before losing in their bowl game the 2nd year) was the only team that could argue about deserving a shot and not getting it.
I keep putting "best" in quotation marks because it is a guess, or a judgment call. And it's something we can argue about forever and never get an answer.
The problem with 12 teams is that you're adding teams that have no claim at being the "best", and increasing the chances that they win (steal) the championship. And like you brought up, injuries are an "X-Factor". Do you really want the champions being crowned because the other teams got beat up? I don't really think that is "great for the game".
I remember back in the 90s when I was in college. One of my buddies bought or rented a video that might have been from the 80s. It was basically ultimate fighting championship. But not nearly as big as it is today. It was probably a tournament of 16 dudes fighting. And if the winner was too hurt to continue to the next round, they got an alternate - dudes who weren't good enough to make the 16 fighters were put into the tournament. I thought it was the dumbest thing ever because the winners of the two final four matchups was too hurt to fight in the finals. So the 2 fighters in the finals were both guys not good enough to be in the tournament, but one of them won it. I know that injuries are part of the game, and we need to have backups game-ready, but do you really want injuries to help determine who the national champion is?
For the record, I hate when others say, "That's how everyone else does it", when it comes to a playoff. But really, do NFL teams complain about being beat up by the previous matchup when they lose in the next round? (I'm asking partially because I don't know, but also because I've never heard it.)
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TampaBuckeyes
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I think they are giving up on the best team idea when going to 12. If they wanted beat it would stop at 4, 6 or maybe even 8. 12 is just a money grab. And it really doesn’t bother me anymore.
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Last week even Rece Davis during GameDay (yeah, I watched cause it was in Columbus and there was no Fox pregame) said that while you gain something with a playoff you also lose something. He was talking about the importance of big regular season games. It was critical that tOSU win last week because only 4 teams will make the playoff. And it was a huge loss for ND, who will now almost certainly need to win out to finish in the top 4. If there were a 12-team playoff this year, it wouldn’t have meant so much.
It will also diminish the importance of The Game somewhat (as @Jaxbuck has stated, will a potential rematch in the playoffs be more important for certain coaching decisions?). Hell, with B1G expansion, a potential pod system and/or the elimination of the current divisions could actually result in the Buckeyes playing TTUN 3 times in the same season! Which will of course cause idiots like Gerry DiNardo to suggest moving The Game to earlier in the season.
The push for expansion went on for so long, and brings in such huge dollars it was probably inevitable, but I also like the current system. There are two aspects of the new 12-team setup that I do appreciate:
1 - The first round bye for the top conference champions will keep teams motivated to win their CCGs, rather than resting stars or playing vanilla in order to save something for the playoffs.
2 - The 5 thru 8 teams hosting the first round games, which will occasionally result in some southern teams playing in a B1G stadium in December.
The fact that ND can’t get a first round bye as an independent is something I also like, but if they are able to keep their full playoff share as an independent, they’ll only need to make the top-12 once every 3 or 4 years to profit from that.
For example, say that the playoff generates $720 million per season (a number picked to facilitate the math). That’s $60m for each team, if the money is evenly split among the 12. If the B1G gets 3 teams in during 2026 or later, I believe 16 teams would split $180m; if they get 4 in, it’s a split of $240m. So each team, assuming the even split continues, would get $11.25m or $15m, depending.
So over a 4-year span, each B1G team could get an estimated $52.5m, if the B1G got 3 teams twice and 4 teams twice. But ND would get a full $60m if they make it once, and $180m if they make the top-12 in 3 of the 4 seasons. I think that will be the factor that makes them stay independent.
Another way to split the playoff money, rather than just among the 12 teams, would be to split it based on the number of participations in all of the games. There will be 11 games, so that’s a total of 22 appearances among the 12 teams. They could choose to split the money 22 ways based on which teams advance to further rounds. So a team playing in 2 or 3 games would earn more than a team that loses their playoff opener.
I believe that the teams hosting the games as 5 thru 8 seeds should be able to keep all of the money from ticket sales, etc., without having to split it with other conference members. The bowl games included in the future playoff games would probably put a share of their money into the playoff pot, while continuing to get rich off of college football.
But those are the things that Gene Smith, Kevin Warren, and Jack Swarbrick will be considering, because how the money gets split is very significant.
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AJHawkfan
Wanna make $14 the hard way?
My biggest issue with going to 12 is that it gives the teams who finish 1-4 a huge advantage. The 5-12 ranked teams will beat the shit out of each other for the right to play a healthy, well rested team. People complaining about the same 3-4 teams winning it all every year are not going to be happy any time soon. To me, it seems that the ideal number of teams is 8.
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