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zincfinger;2151014; said:
The fans of those I-AA schools--Youngstown State in particular--would strongly disagree. But, your point also supports having the playoff in I-A (FBS) in that if I-AA schools can support a playoff system despite much smaller stadiums, attendance, and broadcast revenue, the big I-A schools would make a killing...
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jwinslow;2151015; said:
Yeah, losing at home to Illinois in the penultimate regular seaon game in 2007 sure cost us a shot of the title game that year...
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lvbuckeye
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jwinslow;2151015; said:
considering the fact that Ohio State hasn't lost to a team from Ohio since Oberlin in 1902 or some shit, i think it would be pretty freaking riveting.
in a train wreck kind of way, to be sure, but the Buckeyes' television ratings didn't exactly suck last year. half the country tuned in to celebrate while they watched the Bucks lose.
agree. 8 is the number.
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BayBuck
Buckeyes are best
knapplc;2150869; said:
When's the last time you had an argument about who SHOULD have won the Vince Lombardi or Larry O'Brien Trophy way back when? Sure, you're message-boarding about the NFL, because it beats working I guess, but those old playoffs are dead, pinned to a wall above a plaque.
On the other hand, maybe let's chat about that 1970 Nebraska "AP Title", or Dr. Tom's 1997 going-away present? That's the kind of never-ending discussion that makes college football epic...
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The truth of the matter is that the SEC understands how to game the system by the new rules of the game.
Rule 1: Forget the old idea that this is really about a college education. Offer scholarships to kids and then throw them out without any sense of commitment to them if they don't make the two-deep. This ensures that you have an on-field advantage against teams that honor such commitments. They can always get a degree at some lower division school.
Rule 2: Play your OOC schedule at home against weak, even lower division, teams. This ensures that your teams enter the conference schedule with the highest possible computer ratings, because losses bring down ratings and even good teams can lose against a team in the 30-50 rank category when that team brings its A game on the day. Then, claim that your teams are the best based on playing in a tougher conference, using the spurious human polls and computer scores to justify what you say.
Rule 3: If you get forced to play a team in the 30-50 rank category and have the double challenge of playing a team located north of the Mason-Dixon line, have the sense to schedule a "name" team that is in a down cycle (e.g., Penn State).
Rule 4: Play your bowl games like everything else; close to home and in the warm climate. Realize that kids brought to sunshine and summer temps really have a bit more trouble focusing after eight to ten weeks of gray skies, rain, snow, and cold temperatures. Give them an early spring break. Take them around to Disneyland, Disneyworld, beaches and the like. Get them to relax in that holiday mood.
Rule 5: Be sure to ignore when your conference does not show that superiority in the total bowl games at the end of the year, even though the games are essentially home games for you. You don't need to be a fan of an SEC team to benefit from the SEC manuals, "Building Strawmen", "Whistling it the Dark", and "Winning by Ignoring What Others Say in Conversation."
Rule 1: Forget the old idea that this is really about a college education. Offer scholarships to kids and then throw them out without any sense of commitment to them if they don't make the two-deep. This ensures that you have an on-field advantage against teams that honor such commitments. They can always get a degree at some lower division school.
Rule 2: Play your OOC schedule at home against weak, even lower division, teams. This ensures that your teams enter the conference schedule with the highest possible computer ratings, because losses bring down ratings and even good teams can lose against a team in the 30-50 rank category when that team brings its A game on the day. Then, claim that your teams are the best based on playing in a tougher conference, using the spurious human polls and computer scores to justify what you say.
Rule 3: If you get forced to play a team in the 30-50 rank category and have the double challenge of playing a team located north of the Mason-Dixon line, have the sense to schedule a "name" team that is in a down cycle (e.g., Penn State).
Rule 4: Play your bowl games like everything else; close to home and in the warm climate. Realize that kids brought to sunshine and summer temps really have a bit more trouble focusing after eight to ten weeks of gray skies, rain, snow, and cold temperatures. Give them an early spring break. Take them around to Disneyland, Disneyworld, beaches and the like. Get them to relax in that holiday mood.
Rule 5: Be sure to ignore when your conference does not show that superiority in the total bowl games at the end of the year, even though the games are essentially home games for you. You don't need to be a fan of an SEC team to benefit from the SEC manuals, "Building Strawmen", "Whistling it the Dark", and "Winning by Ignoring What Others Say in Conversation."
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tidetoit
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Since this years BCSNCG every conference that's not the SEC has griped and complained they got screwed. Why? Because their conference didn't get to participate and the SEC's dominated the BCS for 6 consecutive years. I'm going to ignore all the tin foil hat conspiracy theories - because they're ridiculous.
The BCS has one job: to put the two best college football teams in the BCSNCG regardless of conference affiliation based upon a very diverse group of criteria. It did it's job and we have a legitimate national champion.
The complaints about this years BCSNCG participants is illegitimate however there is a problem that won't go away and will have a detrimental effect on college football until we make a change.
Most college football fans are homers and are, by and large, uninterested in other conferences - so if their conference isn't in the BCSNC picture they lose interest and - COMPLAIN. No one wants to admit their irrelevant - and when they are they lose interest in the season. I'm an avid college football fan but if my team is out of the chase for the Conference or BCS crown I lose interest and don't watch many of the marquee games by the top BCS teams - even the bowl games and the BCSNCG. I've missed quite a few over the years because I just wasn't interested.
College is inherantly different than the pros. The NFL isn't infected wtih homerism so severly that fans abandon it when their team misses the playoffs.
If this years BCSNCG had pitted Michigan against Wisconsin I would have taken a nap no matter how much hype surrounded it. I'm like most college football fans: If my team or conference ins't involved I don't care.
That's the truth about the current system. What will change the dissafected homers is more BIG OOC GAMES. We're all dedicated to the regular season and nothing would make me happier than to watch my team play Ohio State, USC, Michigan, Miami and the rest of the big boys on a regular basis in the regular season - that exposure to those teams would give me a reason to follow their progress based on comparison to the result of my teams game against them.
Without a reason to be exposed to Ohio State (or any other ooc team) during the regular season in a game that matters to my team and conference I'm not going to care about them. That is college footballs biggest problem at the moment. Most peoplewho say they love college footbaly really only love their teams and conferences - not college football itself - until there's a reason for all of us who love college football to care about teams in other conferences because of great OOC games we will all suffer from the ugly side of college football homerism
The BCS has one job: to put the two best college football teams in the BCSNCG regardless of conference affiliation based upon a very diverse group of criteria. It did it's job and we have a legitimate national champion.
The complaints about this years BCSNCG participants is illegitimate however there is a problem that won't go away and will have a detrimental effect on college football until we make a change.
Most college football fans are homers and are, by and large, uninterested in other conferences - so if their conference isn't in the BCSNC picture they lose interest and - COMPLAIN. No one wants to admit their irrelevant - and when they are they lose interest in the season. I'm an avid college football fan but if my team is out of the chase for the Conference or BCS crown I lose interest and don't watch many of the marquee games by the top BCS teams - even the bowl games and the BCSNCG. I've missed quite a few over the years because I just wasn't interested.
College is inherantly different than the pros. The NFL isn't infected wtih homerism so severly that fans abandon it when their team misses the playoffs.
If this years BCSNCG had pitted Michigan against Wisconsin I would have taken a nap no matter how much hype surrounded it. I'm like most college football fans: If my team or conference ins't involved I don't care.
That's the truth about the current system. What will change the dissafected homers is more BIG OOC GAMES. We're all dedicated to the regular season and nothing would make me happier than to watch my team play Ohio State, USC, Michigan, Miami and the rest of the big boys on a regular basis in the regular season - that exposure to those teams would give me a reason to follow their progress based on comparison to the result of my teams game against them.
Without a reason to be exposed to Ohio State (or any other ooc team) during the regular season in a game that matters to my team and conference I'm not going to care about them. That is college footballs biggest problem at the moment. Most peoplewho say they love college footbaly really only love their teams and conferences - not college football itself - until there's a reason for all of us who love college football to care about teams in other conferences because of great OOC games we will all suffer from the ugly side of college football homerism
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muffler dragon
Bien. Bien chiludo.
My biggest complaint with 'Bama's entry into the NC was that they didn't even win their conference title. I'm not judging the team on the talent they have/had. I'm judging them on not getting it done when it mattered, at home, etc.
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tidetoit
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If that's your complaint then you're the one with the problem not the system. The system put the two best teams in college football on the field for the BCSNCG and with winner is the legitimate Champion. Any teams other than Alabama and LSU would have produced an illegitimate Champion.muffler dragon;2152599; said:
If you're saying you don't care if the Champion is legitimate or not that's sad and bodes poorly for the future of college football. IF your'e saying it's impossible for one confernces 2nd or 3rd best team to be better than another (or all other conferences combined) conferences Champion then you're a lost cause and there is no system that will satisfy you and no champion will ever be legitimate in your eyes unless it's your conference and your team.
All conferences are NOT equal. Stronger conferences would suffer under your definiton of "Only Conference Champions" deserve a shot at the title. Those stronger conferences have more fans, make more money for everyone, and perform better because they get the best athletes. Forcing them out because Boise went undefeated playing a creampuff schedule is ridiculous and only diminishes the value of the BCSNC.
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