College Playoff

[matcar]

But there WILL be more football, and that is definitely a good thing.

Which is why I favor a playoff.

I may be wrong, but I believe in the long haul, there will be less actual football as I'm guessing some of the bowls will die. Again, not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

So we should just fucking crown Boise State champion every year? I mean, it's obvious that their 13-0 record in the WAC trumps a 10-3 record in the SEC.

See my post re: SOS

I'm not made out of straw mili

 

[knapplc]

Muck's point about basketball tournaments is key. The fact that every team in the B1G has an equal chance to call themselves champion, should they "get lucky" and win 3 or 4 games in a row.. despite sucking pounds and pounds of ass for a whole season...

I dunno... winning 16 of 18 seems to me to be a better indicator of who "deserves" an invite to the "big dance" than winning 3 games...

Let's talk basketball. Nebraska absolutely blows this year. But the Big Ten has a post-season tournament, and the Huskers get their charity invite.

Let's say there's some kind of miracle and Nebraska goes on a run, and they win the thing. What should they get? Nothing? Should they just go home, forget about the win, and wallow in their suckitude based on an atrocious regular season? That seems pretty harsh for a team that accomplished something.

 

[BUCKYLE]

So we should just fucking crown Boise State champion every year? I mean, it's obvious that their 13-0 record in the WAC trumps a 10-3 record in the SEC.

Of course not. Just know that they'll be in the playoffs every year because they'll continue to be highly ranked. Also know that while tOSU was battling Wisconsin at Camp Randall, then MSU followed by The Game and is all banged up and limping, Boise will be injury free after playing two games against the New Mexicos with a bye in between.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

I suppose you could label a working solution that has been deemed best by just about everyone for thousands of years as a "lemming" action. Kind of like how you drive a car to work (instead of a riding lawn mower) because, apparently, you're a lemming. Or how you eat with a fork instead of a wet noodle because, apparently, you're a lemming. Or how you wear a coat when it's cold because, apparently, you're a lemming.

Certainly you don't do any of those things because, over the course of time and many lives and many attempts to build a better mousetrap in any of the areas of eating, staying warm and commuting, the methods currently in use are used because they've proven to be the better system.

OK... name me one of these countless world wide sports that has a more important regular season than does College Football.

Careful what ya wish for.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Let's talk basketball. Nebraska absolutely blows this year. But the Big Ten has a post-season tournament, and the Huskers get their charity invite.

Let's say there's some kind of miracle and Nebraska goes on a run, and they win the thing. What should they get? Nothing? Should they just go home, forget about the win, and wallow in their suckitude based on an atrocious regular season? That seems pretty harsh for a team that accomplished something.

What did they accomplish? Participating in the 2011-2012 season? Cuz that's about it and it's what gets them the "invite" to play in the B1G tourney.

They shouldn't HAVE a post season conf tournament in the first place...the reg season is adequate enough at determining who the fuckin champ is, no?

 

[buchtelgrad04]

Or, being a championship team means you can lose 3 of 4 and still be "better"

I dunno... going 13-0 or even 12-1 seems to me to be more legit than going 10-3 or 9-4

Records are deceiving.

And what should be done about multiple 13-0 or 12-1 teams? How can you crown a champion with the same record and they never played?

 

[knapplc]

Among those unique problems is wildly different strengths of schedule. No one argues friggin Ball State should be in the conversation if they go thru their schedule undefeated.

Frankly, the NCAA should end the charade that makes teams like Troy and San Jose State and Toledo think they're playing for the same championship Ohio State, Texas, Nebraska etc. are playing for.

Even out the schedules (and this is what I was referring to earlier re: BCS tweaks, SOS and MOV are important considerations when you have complete UNbalance) and then, all things being equal, a playoff makes more "sense" to me

Definitely agree with this. But I would take it one step further and say let's just pare down D1A. 120 teams is ridiculously huge for a post-season that will never give even 1/4 of those teams a shot at a playoff.

To me, it's reasonable to say that the AQ conferences have made a concerted effort to grow superior football programs. Those teams should be rewarded by placing them in an upper tier, a tier that doesn't include the Ball States or the Florida Atlantics.

I don't know how you get there from here because that geni is already out of that bottle. I do think that this would discourage another Boise State from cropping up, playing the #104 SOS, then demanding a seat at the big kid's table because they went undefeated, while an SEC team went 10-3 against the #4 SOS.

 

[matcar]

Let's talk basketball. Nebraska absolutely blows this year. But the Big Ten has a post-season tournament, and the Huskers get their charity invite.

Let's say there's some kind of miracle and Nebraska goes on a run, and they win the thing. What should they get? Nothing? Should they just go home, forget about the win, and wallow in their suckitude based on an atrocious regular season? That seems pretty harsh for a team that accomplished something.

The flip side is that they are still rewarded for accomplishing so little for most of the year. Why should THEY be rewarded for a "nice little run" when other teams have put in their dues for months. Seems pretty harsh for a team that played well for months to lose out to a team as crappy as UNL and get no invite.

 

[Fungo Squiggly]

Let's talk basketball. Nebraska absolutely blows this year. But the Big Ten has a post-season tournament, and the Huskers get their charity invite.

Let's say there's some kind of miracle and Nebraska goes on a run, and they win the thing. What should they get? Nothing? Should they just go home, forget about the win, and wallow in their suckitude based on an atrocious regular season? That seems pretty harsh for a team that accomplished something.

Yeah, but there wouldn't even BE a B1G tourney. The B1G survived a long time without one. It's completely unnecessary and is only in existence to make money. The auto-bid is only there to rationalize its existence, not to justify it. In my IMO.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

I may be wrong, but I believe in the long haul, there will be less actual football as I'm guessing some of the bowls will die. Again, not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing.

Well, when 8 people show up to watch North Texas (7-5) play San Diego State (7-5) I highly doubt there's gonna be room for the same bowl to move down 16 teams.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Records are deceiving.

And what should be done about multiple 13-0 or 12-1 teams? How can you crown a champion with the same record and they never played?

Oh, I dunno... maybe create a system that differentiates between otherwise like teams...

Keep in mind, I believe wholeheartedly that SOS matters. The BCS was stupid to take it, and MOV, out of the equation.

 

[buchtelgrad04]

Wow a wall of text essentially illustrating my point.

Two quick questions:

1. Do you want to crown a national champion or do you want to identify the best team in the country?

2. Who is the 'real' Big Ten WBB champions? Penn State or Purdue?


In regards to the first question until playoff proponents understand that the two are very different things there is no point wasting time in discussion.

Did we identify the best team in the country this year?

 

[knapplc]

OK... name me one of these countless world wide sports that has a more important regular season than does College Football.

Careful what ya wish for.

Define "more important." That's a tremendously subjective term, and I'll just about guarantee that mine is a different definition than yours.

For me, those Sunbelt games on Tuesday nights are great TV, and I watch them every chance I get. So that's important to me. The worst of the bowl games is "important" because it's football.

Even if we go to a playoff system like D2 (or the FCS or whatever they're calling it these days), I want to have the Famous Idaho Potato Bowl and the Beef 'O' Brady bowl.

But for the championship, a seeded tournament is less flawed than computers and voters amalgamating their opinions in an evil brew of money and bias.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Definitely agree with this. But I would take it one step further and say let's just pare down D1A. 120 teams is ridiculously huge for a post-season that will never give even 1/4 of those teams a shot at a playoff.

To me, it's reasonable to say that the AQ conferences have made a concerted effort to grow superior football programs. Those teams should be rewarded by placing them in an upper tier, a tier that doesn't include the Ball States or the Florida Atlantics.

I don't know how you get there from here because that geni is already out of that bottle. I do think that this would discourage another Boise State from cropping up, playing the #104 SOS, then demanding a seat at the big kid's table because they went undefeated, while an SEC team went 10-3 against the #4 SOS.

Yeah, we're on the same page here. I'm not even sure the Big East is "legit" but.. it would take a radical overhaul of what we've got now, that's for sure.

I hate Boise.. but.. if they're in a "big boy" conf, then.. well... they "deserve" a shot like anyone else. Beating up on the WAC? That's as impressive as a bucket of piss.

I dunno.. give any "legit" big time program their schedule and see how well they fair. I'm reasonably sure Ohio State can beat that horse shit schedule.. and.. why are we impressed with Boise when Ohio State, in 2007 especially, was routinely ridiculed for it's "easy" schedule.