College Playoff

[Buckeye doc]

I am generally opposed to a playoff because, as discussed, the push to grow the field will eventually win out. IF a playoff is inevitable, I could live with 8 teams. Top 6 conference champs plus next two ranked (BCS style computerized ranking system with LOW or NO reliance on human polls). Limit of two teams per conference. I would like to avoid any rematch scenarios but that could be difficult to implement.

P.S. Re: The arguments like "look what WVU did to Clemson, or Fla did to Cinci", Tough Shit. Hind sight is 20/20. This is college football. The regular season should matter. TCOB. Play a stronger ooc schedule (look at LSU this year) so you'll have a good ranking if you don't win your conference.

 

[Fungo Squiggly]

It was me that volunteered to be the pain in your ass. Bring that shit to me mofo.

Fuckface

I refuse to accept this kind of ruthless approbation from the likes of you - a man who uses auto-focus on his bird pictures is no "man" at all!!!

WTF? Since when did we consider BK a man in any sense of the word?

[astroglide manufacturer] See our ad. [/astroglide manufacturer]

It's true. I'm no man. I'm not even 40.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Here would be a hypothetical playoff this year along with who the last four out were, what conference champions were left out and so on.

1) LSU
16) GEORGIA

8) KANSAS STATE
9) SOUTH CAROLINA

5) OREGON
12) BAYLOR

13) MICHIGAN
4) STANFORD




3) OKLAHOMA STATE
14) OKLAHOMA

6) ARKANSAS
11) VA TECH

10) WISCONSIN
7) TRUCK DRIVERS

15) CLEMSON
2) ALABAMA

Last four in: Michigan, Oklahoma, Clemson, Georgia
Last four out: Michigan State, TCU, Houston, Nebraska

Conference Breakdowns:

SEC: LSU* Alabama Georgia South Carolina Arkansas
Big Ten: *Wisconsin Michigan
Big 12: Oklahoma State*, Baylor, Oklahoma Kansas State
ACC: Clemson* VaTech
PAC Oregon* Stanford
MWC: Boise

Conference Champions Left Out
Big East: West Virginia 9-3 #23
CUSA: So Miss 11-2 #21
MAC: Northern Ilinois 10-3 UR
Sunbelt: Arkansas State 10-2 UR
MWC: TCU 10-2 #18
WAC: Louisiana Tech 8-4 UR

At large Bid losers if all 11 conference champs were included:
South Carolina VaTech Baylor Michigan Oklahoma Georgia

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

And 2010. Interesting, people on the Nevada board were always so strident that ALL 11 conference champions should get an auto-bid. Guess what? They would have been left out. How sweet to see LSU play in Columbus the second week of December.


1) AUBURN
16) ALABAMA

8) ARKANSAS
9) MICHIGAN STATE

5) WISCONSIN
12) MISSOURI

13) VA TECH
4) STANFORD



3) TCU
14) OK STATE

6) OHIO STATE
11) LSU

10) BOISE
7) OKLAHOMA

15) NEVADA
2) OREGON


Last four in: Alabama, Nevada, VaTech, Mizzou
Last four out: aggy, Nebraska, Utah, South Carolina

Conference Breakdowns:

SEC: Auburn* Arkansas Alabama LSU
Big Ten: Wisconsin* Ohio State Michigan State
Big 12: Oklahoma* Mizzou Oklahoma State
ACC: VaTech
PAC 10: Oregon* Stanford
WAC: Nevada Boise*
MWC: TCU*

Conference Champions Left Out
Big East: UCONN 8-4 UR
CUSA: UCF 10-3 #25
MAC: Fredo 9-4 UR
Sunbelt: Troy 7-5 UR

At large Bid losers if all 11 conference champs were included:
Mizzou Nevada Alabama Oklahoma State

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

And 2009


1) ALABAMA
16) WEST VIRGINIA

8) OHIO STATE
9) GEORGIA TECH

5) FLORIDA
12) LSU

13) PENN STATE
4) TCU



3) CINCINNATI
14) BYU

6) BOISE
11) VA TECH

10) IOWA
7) OREGON

15) MIAMI
2) TEXAS

Last four in: Penn State, BYU, Miami, WVU
Last four out: Pitt, Oregon State, Oklahoma State, Arizona

Conference Breakdowns:

SEC: Alabama* Florida, LSU,
Big Ten: Ohio State*, Iowa, Penn State
Big 12: Texas*
ACC: Georgia Tech VaTech Miami
PAC Oregon*
WAC: Boise*
MWC: TCU* BYU
Big East: Cincinnati* West Virginia

Conference Champions Left Out
CUSA: East Carolina 9-4 UR
Sunbelt: Troy 9-4 UR
MAC: Central Michigan 11-2 UR

At large Bid losers if all 11 conference champs were included:
West Virginia, Miami, Penn State

 

[WoodyWorshiper]

My proposal for a CFB Playoff system is real simple. Have the NCAA hire a "Consulting Firm" from Las Vegas to evaluate the season and establish who they feel are the best 4,8 16, or whatever best teams in the Country. You know the "Firm" I'm talking about. The ones who set point spreads and over/unders that usually aren't decided until the final minutes of a game. The same ones who look at a game between 2 teams that have already played, and set the team that LOST the first meeting at home as a favorite over the other team that they now have to play basically on the road.

The "Firm" is a multi-billion $$$ corporation for a reason. THEY know. Other than that, I'd suggest keeping it the way it is.

Peace

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

My proposal for a CFB Playoff system is real simple. Have the NCAA hire a "Consulting Firm" from Las Vegas to evaluate the season and establish who they feel are the best 4,8 16, or whatever best teams in the Country. You know the "Firm" I'm talking about. The ones who set point spreads and over/unders that usually aren't decided until the final minutes of a game. The same ones who look at a game between 2 teams that have already played, and set the team that LOST the first meeting at home as a favorite over the other team that they now have to play basically on the road.

The "Firm" is a multi-billion $$$ corporation for a reason. THEY know. Other than that, I'd suggest keeping it the way it is.

Peace

I'll just go down to Richard's Bar and ask the old Italian guys down on the Grand Avenue end of the bar. They could set the whole playoff up in a second. Hell, Vegas was literally run from that bar for decades.

 

[WoodyWorshiper]

I'll just go down to Richard's Bar and ask the old Italian guys down on the Grand Avenue end of the bar. They could set the whole playoff up in a second. Hell, Vegas was literally run from that bar for decades.

:cheers:

 

[BB73]

Which is fine, but then we have to admit that having the best teams playing for the championship is not as important as having a playoff structure that is subjective opinion free. Including only conference championships will give you that objective standard, to be sure. But if a four loss SEC East team (say Georgia loses to Tech, Boise St., its west opponent and Florida) happens to beat a top ten SEC West team in the SECCG, you'll have a four loss team in your final four.

As stated earlier, a 4-loss team would probably not make the cut of the 4 highest ranked conference champions. But there's another point to be made.

If the 4 team playoff among only conference champions were to be adopted, it might behoove each conference to review their CCG procedures. I don't know of a rule that prohibits a league from implementing a system that says the two CCG participants will be the two highest rated teams, or a rule that said something like if the second place team from 1 division is more than 5 spots ahead of the other division winner, the top 2 teams from the same division would play in the CCG. If the SEC wants to allow a Dome-field advantage UGA team to knock out a top-5 SEC West champion, that's up to them.

By the same token, leagues would want to reconsider the location of the CCG. I've been an advocate of the B1G using the PAC-12 model of having the higher-ranked division winner host the CCG, in order to increase the chances of the CCG winner making the BCS Title game. That would also apply to the B1G winner making a 4-team playoff.

 

[Saw31]

[heated]FUCKFACES![/heated!]

 

[LovelandBuckeye]

Looking at ORD's scenarios

1. The B1G matchups look intriguing in 2009.

2. LSU coming to Cbus (2010)? Fuck Yes! That would be awesome!

3. 2010 Nevada vs Oregon? O/U would be like 213.

4. 2011, Oregon-Baylor & KSU-S. Carolina look decent.

Only complaints I see are some rematches in the first round of the week prior (CCG or last game of season)

 

[Beano Cook]

What the hell are you people talking about? As if overtime and the BCS weren't bad enough now you want a playoff? What we need are more bowl games so we can have more bowl champions.

And a tie should be a tie, just like when Notre Dame and Michigan State tied in 1966. The voters fixed that problem by awarding the national championship to the Fighting Irish. Problem solved.

 

[Bucknut24]

I haven't read through all these proposal's, but the ones I take issues with are the ones that are saying Conf champs only...

Why punish a team that could go 11-1 (bama this let's say) and let a team that goes 7-4 in the Big East?

I say 8 teams, the 6 conf champs, and the top 2 ranked non champs

It's not perfect, you're not gonna get a perfect system, I just think this is fair...teams 12-16 don't deserve a shot at playoffs, regular season becomes meaningless almost


Also, if you go to conf champs only, then I say no divisions in conf, either make it like the conf before title games and best record goes, or top 2 teams play it out......A 12-0 team shouldn't have to play a 7-5 team and winner goes to playoff loser goes home while there's a 11-1 team at home already cause they happen to be in same division

 

[IronBuckI]

As stated earlier, a 4-loss team would probably not make the cut of the 4 highest ranked conference champions. But there's another point to be made.

If the 4 team playoff among only conference champions were to be adopted, it might behoove each conference to review their CCG procedures. I don't know of a rule that prohibits a league from implementing a system that says the two CCG participants will be the two highest rated teams, or a rule that said something like if the second place team from 1 division is more than 5 spots ahead of the other division winner, the top 2 teams from the same division would play in the CCG. If the SEC wants to allow a Dome-field advantage UGA team to knock out a top-5 SEC West champion, that's up to them.

By the same token, leagues would want to reconsider the location of the CCG. I've been an advocate of the B1G using the PAC-12 model of having the higher-ranked division winner host the CCG, in order to increase the chances of the CCG winner making the BCS Title game. That would also apply to the B1G winner making a 4-team playoff.

Currently, CCGs are part of the rule allowing a 13th game. I don't have the link anymore, and my lunch is almost over, so I can't look it up.

This is essentially what the rule states: In order to have a CCG as your 13th game, a conference must have at least 12 teams, with at least 6 teams in each division. Each division must play a round robin within the division, and the CCG must be between the two teams with the best conference record from each division.


That, of course, is just the current rule, and I imagine there will be a lot of rule changes if playoffs are added to the schedule. The manner in which conference champions can be determined will likely be part of those changes.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

It's not perfect, you're not gonna get a perfect system, I just think this is fair...teams 12-16 don't deserve a shot at playoffs, regular season becomes meaningless almost

Politically, you can't have a playoff where the big conferences get an automatic invite and the sh*tstain mid majors don't. The fallout would be too much. You either need to let all 11 conferences (and just wait for some of these FCS conferences trying to jump up and get their slice of the pie) or you make it based purely on a BCS style ranking.

I don't think 16 makes the regular season irrelevant. In fact, it would allow teams to play serious out of conference match ups without fear of the NC title hopes being over in September. You would see a lot more Ohio State-Texas type of series.