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Regular Joe;1852318; said:
Umm, ok.

1. TCU is undefeated and beats conference champion Wisky who EVERYONE was saying were one of the hottest teams in the country to close out the regular season. If there was an 8 team playoff, Wisky would have been there and TCU would have moved on to have a shot at the title. The current system doesn't allow for that. Their season ends right there.
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So, how does that make Auburn or Oregon illegitimate?

2. Any more explanation than that would mean I was arguing with an idiot.
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Considering the source, I'm feeling good about my side of the coin.

You must have done well on your highschool debate team.
 
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muffler dragon;1852305; said:
There are two separate considerations that are in the original quote:

1) playoffs.
2) mid-major participation in said playoffs.

That's why I found your initial (pre-edited) post so "fascinating".

Anyway... to get to your post above, you're arguing legitimacy again. And since you're the one who is claiming legitimacy; then you have to field the argument as to why all the crowned champions in the BCS era are illegitimate. Once you do that; then I'll be sure to present a counter argument.
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If you mean that you want me to break down each year and then get into each record of each team, you are nuts. Champions in every major sport in the US spend their regular season earning the right to duke it out with their peirs in a playoff. The playoff does one thing - it gives a certain group of teams or individuals a chance to square off. It does not guaruntee the best team will be the champ but it DOES give the top teams - the one's who have earned the right to be there a chance to proove themselves. The current system does not allow that. TCU earned the right - - - to one game. They beat a very good team and then were told to go home. That's a joke, if....IF you at the same time crown the winner of another game a champ. Talk about playing against a stacked deck! Whether you folks realize it or not I am a HUGE Ohio State fan but I can't sit back and watch this hypocrisy. The fact that you can is amazing.
 
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muffler dragon;1852326; said:
So, how does that make Auburn or Oregon illegitimate?



Considering the source, I'm feeling good about my side of the coin.

You must have done well on your highschool debate team.
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I never said Orgeon and Auburn were illegitimate you freaking monkey. I said that we will never know if they are a true champ simply by the merrits of their regular season and the results of ONE game. *** yes , I am editing and adding on here. I would love to debate you in front of an audience of random college football fans from around the country and see who would garner the most votes. Anytime pal.....I'm your huckleberry.
 
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Regular Joe;1852295; said:
Then don't claim any, ANY team as the national champ. If you don't want a playoff then don't claim a national champion. Tell me any other major sport in college or pro that determines a champion without some sort of playoff system. Why is college football so special? M O N E Y. That's it. There is no rational reason to not want a playoff.
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That's ludicrisp.

What has made college football unique is that the National Champion is given to the team with the best body of work over the course of the entire season.

It's subjective, it's not always cut and dry, it's not always pretty. But it is interesting, it is engaging, it is passionate.

The problem with a playoff is the law of unintended consequences. As often as not, some jackleg 9-3 team is going to back their way into the playoff, get hot and win over an undefeated team in the Championship game.

No one denies that it would be exciting. It would be tremendous.

But I deny that they would be the National Champion. They haven't proven themselves to be the best team over the course of the entire season. They just got hot at the right time.

What they would be is a Tournament Champion.

Therein lies the difference.

It abandons all that is right and good about College Football in favor of satisfying some folks discomfort of a little ambiguity.

It abandons any relative merit of an outstanding regular season.

It's a dumb idea for College Football. College Football is unique in the world of sports. We should embrace that rather than rush to make it just like every other sport. It is one of the things that makes College Football the Best Sport On The Planet?.
 
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Regular Joe;1852329; said:
If you mean that you want me to break down each year and then get into each record of each team, you are nuts.
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I get it. You want to sling all sorts of shit onto people that don't follow your mold, but when you're actually asked to substantiate your argument you fold. :kudos:

Champions in every major sport in the US spend their regular season earning the right to duke it out with their peirs in a playoff. The playoff does one thing - it gives a certain group of teams or individuals a chance to square off. It does not guaruntee the best team will be the champ but it DOES give the top teams - the one's who have earned the right to be there a chance to proove themselves.
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Then what's the point? If a playoff doesn't guarantee that the Champion is the best team, then you've lost the argument.

The current system does not allow that. TCU earned the right - - - to one game. They beat a very good team and then were told to go home.
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They earned dick. They beat ONE team with a pulse.

That's a joke, if....IF you at the same time crown the winner of another game a champ. Talk about playing against a stacked deck! Whether you folks realize it or not I am a HUGE Ohio State fan but I can't sit back and watch this hypocrisy. The fact that you can is amazing.
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Nice ivory tower. Well... at least you live in a state where you can suck the hind tit of the politician and feel better about yourself.
 
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SmoovP;1852340; said:
There is no way to devise a perfect College Football Playoff, one that is well and truly fair to everyone - for the simple reason that there are too many teams and too few games to do it.
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It's a helluva lot easier deciding who is #1 and #2 than it is determining #4 and #5 and so on, which means that a playoff won't solve anything in my mind, or at least it won't reduce the amount of bitching and arguments that go down.

The first team that gets left out, whether they be #3 or #17 is going to raise hell regardless. If Boise State gets into a 4 team playoff and a one loss Big Ten or SEC team gets left out tell me that the 'problem' is fixed.

College football does have a playoff. A one game, two team playoff. The more you expand that playoff the bigger and more numerous the problems get.
 
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Regular Joe;1852341; said:
Please click this link....please. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/champion

What's your answer now chump?

"A person who has defeated ALL opponents in a competition." Hmmmmm. Interesting.
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I'm not going to answer for "chump", but I'll take a swing at it.

a person who has defeated all opponents in a competition or series of competitions, so as to hold first place
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We're going to need a 119 game regular season to find our Champion.
 
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Buckeye86;1852343; said:
It's a helluva lot easier deciding who is #1 and #2 than it is determining #4 and #5 and so on, which means that a playoff won't solve anything in my mind, or at least it won't reduce the amount of bitching and arguments that go down.

The first team that gets left out, whether they be #3 or #17 is going to raise hell regardless. If Boise State gets into a 4 team playoff and a one loss Big Ten or SEC team gets left out tell me that the 'problem' is fixed.

College football does have a playoff. A one game, two team playoff. The more you expand that playoff the bigger and more numerous the problems get.
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That's crap because the odd's go down that the best team is left out the more teams added to a playoff. See statistics 101. Right now we have 2 teams square off. Not very good.
 
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SmoovP;1852340; said:
There is no way to devise a perfect College Football Playoff, one that is well and truly fair to everyone - for the simple reason that there are too many teams and too few games to do it.
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No perfect way, but, IMO, the best way would be to choose a playoff format every season based on the season results. Some years it would be two teams, some it would be 12 or 16, and, in 2001 we would just give Miami the trophy, in 2007 we would just say fuck it, no one gets the trophy. However, there would still be some ass face with 3 losses complaining about the system not being fair.
 
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Regular Joe;1852348; said:
That's crap because the odd's go down that the best team is left out the more teams added to a playoff. See statistics 101. Right now we have 2 teams square off. Not very good.
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That's crap because the more teams added to a playoff reduces the chances that the best team will win a single elimination tournament.
 
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