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College Playoff

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Buckeyeskickbuttocks;1852256; said:
Quite true. But, that's also something that's in Boysee's control. At least in the way I view it. That is - if Boysee wanted to commit to academic's (they'd accept a transfer from Tater :biggrin:) they need only raise their standards to the appropriate levels.
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Indeed. I just don't see that ever happening for a number of reasons. However, it's certainly not impossible.
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks;1852033; said:
No thanks.
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Then don't claim any, ANY team as the national champ. If you don't want a playoff then don't claim a national champion. Tell me any other major sport in college or pro that determines a champion without some sort of playoff system. Why is college football so special? M O N E Y. That's it. There is no rational reason to not want a playoff.
 
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Regular Joe;1852301; said:
WHAT??? He said no thanks to wanting a playoff system. I replied that he couldn't in good logic claim a national champion. Defend that please.
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There are two separate considerations that are in the original quote:

1) playoffs.
2) mid-major participation in said playoffs.

That's why I found your initial (pre-edited) post so "fascinating".

Anyway... to get to your post above, you're arguing legitimacy again. And since you're the one who is claiming legitimacy; then you have to field the argument as to why all the crowned champions in the BCS era are illegitimate. Once you do that; then I'll be sure to present a counter argument.
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks;1852063; said:
I'm not complaining. I'm not interested in playoffs. My reasons are well documented on this thread and others and I'm not going to rehash it now.

Your comment " then you don't want the solution to fix it." assumes I think the BCS is broken, which I don't. It does what it's supposed to do - determines who among otherwise equal teams (ie record) should get to play for the title. I'm perfectly fine with that. Frankly, I'd prefer the old system - pre- Bowl Alliance.
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This post is filled with WIN and VICTORY.

The premise behind the idea of a college football playoff is absurd.

Set the BCS up to provide the #1 v #2 - outside the traditional big 4 bowls - and abandon the rest of it.
 
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Muck;1851992; said:
Good to see the debating skills in Provo are almost as sophisticated as the cuisine. :so:
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Hey, now. You can get a fine bottle of wine with your meal there.

Of course, you first need to buy a "membership." And the bottles are pretty small.

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MaxBuck;1852310; said:
Hey, now. You can get a fine bottle of wine with your meal there.

Of course, you first need to buy a "membership." And the bottles are pretty small.

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Yeah.... burn the whole fucking thing to the ground.
 
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Regular Joe;1852303; said:
New direction to this thread: Lay claim to why the current system or the pre-BCS system could logically claim a national champ.
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Why is determining one "national champion" so all-fired important? I fail to see any real down side of ongoing controversy and debate regarding who the best team really is in a given year.

Frankly, I still believe Alabama is the best team in the nation this year, and their absolute obliteration of Sparty kind of supported that conclusion. They would not have emerged as a candidate in any reasonable sort of playoff scenario, however.
 
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muffler dragon;1852307; said:
Actually, Joe, the onus is one you to argue the illegitimacy of the BCS crowned champions. You're raising the point; now, argue it.
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Umm, ok.

1. TCU is undefeated and beats conference champion Wisky who EVERYONE was saying were one of the hottest teams in the country to close out the regular season. If there was an 8 team playoff, Wisky would have been there and TCU would have moved on to have a shot at the title. The current system doesn't allow for that. Their season ends right there.

2. Any more explanation than that would mean I was arguing with an idiot.
 
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Regular Joe;1852295; said:
Then don't claim any, ANY team as the national champ. If you don't want a playoff then don't claim a national champion. Tell me any other major sport in college or pro that determines a champion without some sort of playoff system. Why is college football so special? M O N E Y. That's it. There is no rational reason to not want a playoff.
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Major sport in the U.S.A. or world-wide?

But first, you name any major U.S. sport where losses in the regular season means...anything.
 
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MaxBuck;1852313; said:
Why is determining one "national champion" so all-fired important? I fail to see any real down side of ongoing controversy and debate regarding who the best team really is in a given year.

Frankly, I still believe Alabama is the best team in the nation this year, and their absolute obliteration of Sparty kind of supported that conclusion. They would not have emerged as a candidate in any reasonable sort of playoff scenario, however.
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It matters because the current system says one team is the best. If the current system didn't do that I would have no problem with it. The current system makes about as much sense as being "kind of pregnant." You either are or you are not. We crown a champ without due process. How can you honestly argue that? I would have no problem with a system that allowed for debate or something pre-BCS but we are saying one team is best and giving them a trophy......what a TOTAL sham!!
 
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