College Playoff

[Wingate1217]

I think 16 teams is still the best answer. The rationale is that the number 9 team in a 8 team playoff is on the outside looking in....
Number 9 in recent years can truly say they could have had a shot to win the whole "shebang."

This year's #9 is Oklahoma (before conference championships). Other year's and teams that would have missed the playoffs....

2009
GT (10-2)
Iowa (10-2)

2008
Boise St. (12-0)
OSU (10-2)

2007
WVU (10-2)
Hawaii (12-0)

2006
Oklahoma (11-2)
Auburn (10-2)

The tip 16 from the BCS standings after the conference championships would be in regardless of conference affliation. Doubt it would sell but it would be fairer than letting in a Big East Champ in with 4 loses (probably CT) or WVU with the highest BCS ranking at #24.....

The number #17 would have less of be less inclined to run the table than the #9 of that year. This year (again before the conference championships) that team would be Nevada. Previous years beginning in 2009 would have been a 9-3 Pitt, 2008 (9-3 Oregon), 2007 (10-2 BYU) and 2006 Tennessee (9-3)?

 

[cincibuck]

I think 16 teams is still the best answer. The rationale is that the number 9 team in a 8 team playoff is on the outside looking in....
Number 9 in recent years can truly say they could have had a shot to win the whole "shebang."

This year's #9 is Oklahoma (before conference championships). Other year's and teams that would have missed the playoffs....

2009
GT (10-2)
Iowa (10-2)

2008
Boise St. (12-0)
OSU (10-2)

2007
WVU (10-2)
Hawaii (12-0)

2006
Oklahoma (11-2)
Auburn (10-2)

The tip 16 from the BCS standings after the conference championships would be in regardless of conference affliation. Doubt it would sell but it would be fairer than letting in a Big East Champ in with 4 loses (probably CT) or WVU with the highest BCS ranking at #24.....

The number #17 would have less of be less inclined to run the table than the #9 of that year. This year (again before the conference championships) that team would be Nevada. Previous years beginning in 2009 would have been a 9-3 Pitt, 2008 (9-3 Oregon), 2007 (10-2 BYU) and 2006 Tennessee (9-3)?

Here's what's seems to me to be missing from the conversation:
1) Academics -- I think it's interesting that the collegiate sport with THE worst graduation rate is mens basketball -- thirty game seasons - pre and post season tournaments -- CCTs -- games any day of the week, screw the time zones, cue the cameras. Do we want to add this burden to football players? Some of it is already coming true with 13 game seasons - CCGs - and Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday games. Add the emotional stress, then throw in that some of the tournament will take place over finals.

2) Injuries -- It's one thing to put an extra four weeks of practice and play on basketball players and a totally different matter to put this on football players.

3) CCGs - These damn things were created for two reasons: Making money and making more money. Each year they create match ups that have already been played, force stronger teams into high stakes match ups with lesser teams, affect BCS pairings or point out the inequities in divisions created by geography and the ups and downs of programs.

 

[cjmik_75]

How so? Although you may think allowing more teams to have a possibility at winning the title via the playoff than the current system (16 teams in a playoff vice the 2 teams in the BCS title game) diminishes the importance of regular season games, the regular season is still crucial in terms of playoff seeding.

Who here doesn't think that Wisconsin couldn't/wouldn't beat the shit out of Oregon and is the better team? Well, the current system prevents Wiscy from getting a chance at the title while giving Oregon that same chance simply because Wiscy lost by a point to the current #8 team on the road. Who thinks that Michigan State, a team that while getting clobbered by Iowa still beat a top-5 team and still is 11-1 and Big Ten co-champ, wouldn't be a worthy national champion should they win the four games they'd play in a 16-team format?

Ohio State, Wisconsin, and Michigan State all would be worthy champions should they run through the playoffs. But neither of them will get that chance because they play one of the toughest--if not THE toughest, this year--conference in college football.

MSU beat Wisconsin 34-24...FWIW

No playoffs ever!

So we should let the BCS organizers continue to have a monopoly on arguably the most exciting college sport in the country? All the while being a tax-exempt non-profit organization that pockets millions in profits every year off of amateur athletes. Yeah, no playoffs that's the way it should stay...I mean it's not like every other sport on the planet does it that way or anything.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

...Yeah, no playoffs that's the way it should stay...I mean it's not like every other sport on the planet does it that way or anything.

First, despite your implication, your sarcastic remark is actually a true statement - it is, in fact, NOT like every sport on the planet has playoffs because not every sport on the planet has play-offs.

Second, even if your implication were true, so what? Saying "everyone else does it" didn't work as an argument when you were 10, and it sure as shit won't work now.

I'm going to try my hardest to not simply go about repeating the same shit I've been arguing for years on this thread. My opinion hasn't changed - though some posters have presented playoff scenarios I could live with. In any event, I couldn't let this one slide. There is no magic to playoffs - you may prefer them, and that's fine, but they are not some kind of magical prescription. They do not produce a more legitimate champion. They do not solve "bubble team bitching" problems. Playoffs were not invented to even address these problems, let alone solve them. Playoffs were originally exhibitions between competing leagues, nothing more - nothing less. Two champions of otherwise equal leagues battling it out after their season for bragging rights or a trophy to pass around.

 

[Saw31]

MSU beat Wisconsin 34-24...FWIW



So we should let the BCS organizers continue to have a monopoly on arguably the most exciting college sport in the country? All the while being a tax-exempt non-profit organization that pockets millions in profits every year off of amateur athletes. Yeah, no playoffs that's the way it should stay...I mean it's not like every other sport on the planet does it that way or anything.

Yes...

 

[jlb1705]

Good thing I-AA had a 16-team format or else Tressel would be short one national title (1991). I don't recall any I-AA whining about YSU winning the title that year despite being ranked 11th (IIRC) entering the playoffs...

I don't recall it either - maybe it's because I was only 11 years old, or maybe it's because it was I-AA. Do people whine or debate about anything relating to I-AA? Ever? I mean, besides in I-AA college towns?

The point of limiting it to 8 teams it to diminish the chances of non-conference champions winning the national championship. People were upset when Big XII teams were sneaking into the BCS NCG that way, and in my book it would be just as much of a sham if something like that happened in a playoff. I do not want to see a college football playoff where a team like USC doesn't even win their division in the new Pac-12, gets an at-large to the playoffs, and rolls through the Big East champion, an at-large non AQ school and a rematch game from their own conference's runner-up to suddenly have a shot at an NC.

More than half the field in a 16-team format would have failed to win a championship in a BCS conference in any give year. That's approaching NBA Playoff territory. With six BCS conferences, 8 teams is the best number to emphasize the conference championships. With 3/4 of the field having won conference championships, the field should be less diluted. Any at-large entry would be guaranteed of playing at least two conference champions in that format (unless they invoke my rule to convert a [strike]Big East[/strike] under-performing conference champion to an additional at-large slot in a given year.)

 

[JBaney45]

Here's what's seems to me to be missing from the conversation:
1) Academics -- I think it's interesting that the collegiate sport with THE worst graduation rate is mens basketball -- thirty game seasons - pre and post season tournaments -- CCTs -- games any day of the week, screw the time zones, cue the cameras. Do we want to add this burden to football players? Some of it is already coming true with 13 game seasons - CCGs - and Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday games. Add the emotional stress, then throw in that some of the tournament will take place over finals.

Not buying this, final examinations for most schools are this week, for one you wouldn't HAVE to start a 16 team playoff (although I'd prefer just 8 teams) until next week and you could still be done by the time the current BCS conference title game is over. Basically your playoff would take 0 class time besides the first week of January, which the BCS championship teams are already missing as it is.

Don't think the graduation rates have LOADS to due with the schedule in basketball imo..there are plenty of sports that travel regularly during the week. The NCAA tournament is a bit of a pain, especially for Ohio State under the quarter system where it tends to overlap with finals..but don't think Football is getting anywhere close to that.

 

[morbitzerker]

Here is a Playoff and Bowl spectacular blog entry from Kotaku, a video game blog.

The author sets up Bowl games and a 16-team playoff, simulates them offline in NCAA Football 11 dynasty mode and posted the results.

I recommend checking it out, if for nothing more than the playoff games; especially the title game outcome.

Playoff and Bowl Simulations

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Here is a Playoff and Bowl spectacular blog entry from Kotaku, a video game blog.

The author sets up Bowl games and a 16-team playoff, simulates them offline in NCAA Football 11 dynasty mode and posted the results.

I recommend checking it out, if for nothing more than the playoff games; especially the title game outcome.

Playoff and Bowl Simulations

I think Ohio State ought to add that mythical title to its totals. It's gotta be just about as legitimate as any of Michigan's "retro active" titles. :p

 

[OSU_D/]

I want 16 teams with AT LEAST the first two rounds at the higher seeded team's place. I relish Miami, UF, LSU, FSU coming to Ohio Stadium in December.

Living in Minneapolis is no treat this time of the year... lets say someday they are actually a higher seeded team and a southern team comes here? HAHAHAHAHA. 2 freaking feet of snow last night/today.

I am sick of "neutral" site games... Big 10 v SEC in FL, TN and LA and Big 10 v Big 12 is Tx and Big 10 v Pac 10 in CA

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

I want 16 teams with AT LEAST the first two rounds at the higher seeded team's place. I relish Miami, UF, LSU, FSU coming to Ohio Stadium in December.

Living in Minneapolis is no treat this time of the year... lets say someday they are actually a higher seeded team and a southern team comes here? HAHAHAHAHA. 2 freaking feet of snow last night/today.

I hear the high temp is 2 for tomorrow... with a low of -30 or something....

 

[SloopyHangOn]

14 teams. Move regular season forward 1 week and cut it short 1 OOC game (11 games).

1st round played at home field of higher seeds.

#1 & #2 get first round byes and play the winners of the #8/#9 and #7/#10 games.

Second round games played in each of the 4 current BCS bowl stadiums, which rotate each year.

Semi-finals played in the BCS bowl stadium where the #1 ranked BCS team plays their Quarter-final round.

National Championship played in the same stadium.

That's only 15 games. Same as FCS champions play (I think).

Makes sense to me!

 

[JBaney45]

14 teams. Move regular season forward 1 week and cut it short 1 OOC game (11 games).

But..but..we won't have room to schedule BOTH Toledo AND Kent State???

I'm just not sure I can live with that

 

[SloopyHangOn]

Just for kicks, that would look like this:


First Round:
#1 Auburn (BYE)

#9 Michigan State @
#8 Arkansas

#13 Virginia Tech @
#4 Stanford

#12 Missouri @
#5 Wisconsin



#2 Oregon (BYE)

#10 Boise State @
#7 Oklahoma

#14 Oklahoma State @
#3 TCU

#11 LSU @
#6 Ohio State


Quarterfinals
#1 Auburn v.
#8 Arkansas (Glendale, AZ)

#4 Stanford v.
#5 Wisconsin (Pasadena, CA)


#2 Oregon v.
#7 Oklahoma (New Orleans, LA)

#3 TCU v.
#6 Ohio State (Miami, FL)


Semifinals (Glendale, AZ)
#1 Auburn v.
#4 Stanford [Afternoon]

#2 Oregon v.
#3 TCU [Evening]


National Championship Game (Glendale, AZ)
#1 Auburn v.
#2 Oregon


So once every 4 years one of the BCS sites gets to host 4 games and 5 teams. Talk about a shitload of cash.

 

[OSU_D/]

I hear the high temp is 2 for tomorrow... with a low of -30 or something....

Yeah, my driveway has piles of snow 5 feat on either side. The worst part is when all of this hardens tonight and tomorrow due to the temps it will turn into concrete. Any car that hits these frozen piles on the roads gets nailed in a bad way.

But can you imagine Miami playing in this stuff?