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jimotis4heisman
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only it means that you have bickering over four spots, not over two spots. how many teams have their panties in a bunch on selection sunday, half a dozen? and how many of those teams have any shot what so ever, zero? it just creates more controversy and provides little, if any more resolution...
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JBaney45
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I say 8 teams, determined by BCS rankings (or a modified version thereof) that's a fine number
Will #9 be bitching? Sure..but I say..who gives a fuck?
#1 You aren't looking at a #9 team that did everything that it possibly could to get into the title game. There is a big difference between a #3 or #4 team that ran the table having a beef with the system and a #9 team who didn't do everything that was asked of them.
#2 The point of a college playoff isn't to remove controversy or to put every team that might have a remote chance of winning into the playoff. Will you be splitting hairs between a #7/#8/#9 team sometimes? Yeah sure..the simple answer if you complain? Don't put yourself in a position to be ranked that low. We aren't trying to eliminate the regular season here, fighting for 1 of those top 8 slots still makes the regular season incredibly compelling. All the conference races are still going to matter, your mid majors are going to have opportunities to prove they belong on the same field too.
Will #9 be bitching? Sure..but I say..who gives a fuck?
#1 You aren't looking at a #9 team that did everything that it possibly could to get into the title game. There is a big difference between a #3 or #4 team that ran the table having a beef with the system and a #9 team who didn't do everything that was asked of them.
#2 The point of a college playoff isn't to remove controversy or to put every team that might have a remote chance of winning into the playoff. Will you be splitting hairs between a #7/#8/#9 team sometimes? Yeah sure..the simple answer if you complain? Don't put yourself in a position to be ranked that low. We aren't trying to eliminate the regular season here, fighting for 1 of those top 8 slots still makes the regular season incredibly compelling. All the conference races are still going to matter, your mid majors are going to have opportunities to prove they belong on the same field too.
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JXC
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I know some hate it...and that's fine. But i've always felt we need 16 teams, first two rounds at home sites with increased ticket prices (or very close to home sites if a stadium is small). Home sites are needed for two reasons. One will help attendance, you jack up prices and people would still buy tickets. A lot of schools make more money on home gamedays then they do from a bowl game. And two if you have home games, it adds incentive to finish in the top 4, because nobody wants to play on the road. Just use the AP poll to get a top 16...cuz no matter what conference you are in, if you are the best team in the country, you are going to get into the top 16. I'd say to use the BCS, but I think the BCS formula is a crock anyway.
Yes, this may decrease the meaning of some games, but it would always increase the meaning of other games. Beating Michigan would have meant a home game for us this year, that would be huge. Boise would have just played it's way out of two home games. Auburn just knocked Alabama out of the playoffs...had the game gone the other way, Auburn likely would be playing it's second round game on the road. Just to name a few games that still would have been huge. In any case, here is how it would look right now...
16. Oklahoma State at 1. Oregon
*Attendance is always around 60,000 at Autzen Stadium...game would sell out easy, even with increased ticket prices. This would be a hell of a fun game to watch.
15. Missouri at 2. Auburn
*Capacity is 87,000+. Another easy sell out, and I'm sure you could charge a ton, too. Another interesting game.
14. Nevada at 3. TCU
*Game played Dallas Cowboys stadium 80,000+. I'm not convinced if this would sell out or not. But heck, most bowl games don't, and I bet it would do better than those. One mid-major makes the final 8. Could Nedvada knock off both Boise and TCU???
13. Nebraska at 4. Wisconsin
*80,000 more pepole...Nebraska would travel for this, and this game would probably sell out for double or triple normal ticket prices, maybe more. This would be an awesome game, for many reasons.
12. Virginia Tech at 5. Stanford
*50,000+ at Stanford stadium...did you know there was a Super Bowl played here? Not my favorite game of all the matchups, but the people out west would disagree.
11. LSU at 6. Ohio State
*Yawn...do you think if they made face $300 for this game, it would sell out? I'd pay it, and I'm poor.
10. Oklahoma at 7. Michigan State
*Spartan stadium can get over 80,000. For this one, they would. This is probably my favorite game of the bunch. No clue who would win...but great for college football if these two teams could play this year at MSU.
9. Boise state at 8. Arkansas
*76,000 to see if Boise could reallly play in the SEC. My answer? Nope...they get destroyed.
For my own fun, and with my own predictions...this is how round two would look.
8. Arkansas at 1. Oregon
*Autzen rocking again...damn this game would be loud. Would probably be the biggest game in stadium history.
10. Oklahoma at 2. Auburn
*Probably just as loud as Autzen. Powerful SEC v. Big 12 match-up.
6. Ohio State at 3. TCU
*Game in Cowboy Stadium again. Would you travel for it? I know a lot of Buckeyes would. I'd love to see the new Cowbody stadium, what better reason?
12. Virginia Tech at 4. Wisconsin
*Yep...Stanford gets upset so VaTech has to go play Wisky. Camp Randel is nuts for this one...ACC gets stomped.
Round 3 (Orange, Sugar, Fiesta, and Rose rotate every year...say it is Rose and Sugar in round 3 this year, and say the NCAA decides which game fits which site better.)
4. Wisconsin v. 1. Oregon
*Rose Bowl (The Rose Bowl everybody wants to see anyway. Now it gets to happen, with a lot more at stake. Wisconsin won't be stopped...Oregon will.)
6. Ohio State v. 2. Auburn
*Sugar Bowl (Better oppoent for us than we will actually have in the Sugar Bowl. Likely close, but Cam Newton finds a way.)
Championship
Wisconsin v. Auburn
*Glendale, AZ
This is the game I want to see. If we had a playoff, I think this is who would make it to the finals. Who would win? I wish if Oregon lost that Wisconsin could jump Stanford and TCU and we could find out. But I'd put my money on Wisconsin.
The losing teams of the first two rounds could be sent to other bowl sites, using match-ups that make sense for each of those bowls if you want to keep the bowls, i'm don't really care either way, but I guess more games means more money. And if you think that wouldn't work by saying, "Nobody wants to play another game after losing in the playoffs." Then my response would be, "Isn't that how it is now?" All these conference championship game losers are going to have to go play in bowl games. Boise still goes to a bowl game. Teams have always been going to bowl games after huge end of season losses. We did it quite a bit in the 90s :(.
A big argument is that a playoff really doesn't decide who the best team is...just who is hot at the end. But college football is never fair on when teams play. After the playoffs and bowls are over, you could still have the AP vote for who they think if the NC if that's your thing. And if they want to vote the team that didn't win the playoffs, then have at it. I've always felt that you play during the season to get better...and the team who is playing the best by the end deserves more than a team who didn't grow. But that's just my feeling.
A lot of people don't want to ruin the regular season...stating that the regular season IS like a playoff, and putting a playoff in would kill that. I used to feel this way, but somewhere down the line my feelings changed. When Ohio State loses 2 games in a season, I don't stop caring. I still get just as excited. To me, the years where we "aren't" in a playoff are still very exciting. For most of college football, none of the year is a "playoff"...they are out of it before the season even begins. You put this playoff in to place, and then there is at least hope. With a real playoff, I believe more teams, not less would get to feel this playoff feelings. And even in the regular season, many games would still feel like a playoff. As Ohio State fans, we just have that feeling a lot already because of how lucky we are. OSU is always in the top 10 and in the thick of it...most everyone else isn't. (Side note...Can you believe we've finished in the top 10 since 2005 and top 20 since 2002...is there anybody else with a streak like that?)
And maybe you feel a team like Nevada doesn't deserve hope...but why not. For as good of a season they have had, if they got into a playoff like this and won at TCU, at Ohio State, vs. Auburn, and vs. Wisconsin...then I guess they would deserve it. Nobody in the country has 4 wins as big as those would be right now. If they did that, they'd get my #1 vote.
This is just for fun, but it's my dream. And for me, it would make this college football season MUCH more fun. (And i'd be a lot poorer because I would have spent a lot of money on tickets and gas.) But I would have seen LSU come to The 'Shoe...seen the Buckeyes expose TCU in Cowboy stadium, and seen a Sugar bowl against Newton and Auburn that would break my heart..but the ride would be much more fun than this season had been otherwise (granted this has been another November to remember.) But I'd say this December would top it.
Let the tearing down begin...
Yes, this may decrease the meaning of some games, but it would always increase the meaning of other games. Beating Michigan would have meant a home game for us this year, that would be huge. Boise would have just played it's way out of two home games. Auburn just knocked Alabama out of the playoffs...had the game gone the other way, Auburn likely would be playing it's second round game on the road. Just to name a few games that still would have been huge. In any case, here is how it would look right now...
16. Oklahoma State at 1. Oregon
*Attendance is always around 60,000 at Autzen Stadium...game would sell out easy, even with increased ticket prices. This would be a hell of a fun game to watch.
15. Missouri at 2. Auburn
*Capacity is 87,000+. Another easy sell out, and I'm sure you could charge a ton, too. Another interesting game.
14. Nevada at 3. TCU
*Game played Dallas Cowboys stadium 80,000+. I'm not convinced if this would sell out or not. But heck, most bowl games don't, and I bet it would do better than those. One mid-major makes the final 8. Could Nedvada knock off both Boise and TCU???
13. Nebraska at 4. Wisconsin
*80,000 more pepole...Nebraska would travel for this, and this game would probably sell out for double or triple normal ticket prices, maybe more. This would be an awesome game, for many reasons.
12. Virginia Tech at 5. Stanford
*50,000+ at Stanford stadium...did you know there was a Super Bowl played here? Not my favorite game of all the matchups, but the people out west would disagree.
11. LSU at 6. Ohio State
*Yawn...do you think if they made face $300 for this game, it would sell out? I'd pay it, and I'm poor.
10. Oklahoma at 7. Michigan State
*Spartan stadium can get over 80,000. For this one, they would. This is probably my favorite game of the bunch. No clue who would win...but great for college football if these two teams could play this year at MSU.
9. Boise state at 8. Arkansas
*76,000 to see if Boise could reallly play in the SEC. My answer? Nope...they get destroyed.
For my own fun, and with my own predictions...this is how round two would look.
8. Arkansas at 1. Oregon
*Autzen rocking again...damn this game would be loud. Would probably be the biggest game in stadium history.
10. Oklahoma at 2. Auburn
*Probably just as loud as Autzen. Powerful SEC v. Big 12 match-up.
6. Ohio State at 3. TCU
*Game in Cowboy Stadium again. Would you travel for it? I know a lot of Buckeyes would. I'd love to see the new Cowbody stadium, what better reason?
12. Virginia Tech at 4. Wisconsin
*Yep...Stanford gets upset so VaTech has to go play Wisky. Camp Randel is nuts for this one...ACC gets stomped.
Round 3 (Orange, Sugar, Fiesta, and Rose rotate every year...say it is Rose and Sugar in round 3 this year, and say the NCAA decides which game fits which site better.)
4. Wisconsin v. 1. Oregon
*Rose Bowl (The Rose Bowl everybody wants to see anyway. Now it gets to happen, with a lot more at stake. Wisconsin won't be stopped...Oregon will.)
6. Ohio State v. 2. Auburn
*Sugar Bowl (Better oppoent for us than we will actually have in the Sugar Bowl. Likely close, but Cam Newton finds a way.)
Championship
Wisconsin v. Auburn
*Glendale, AZ
This is the game I want to see. If we had a playoff, I think this is who would make it to the finals. Who would win? I wish if Oregon lost that Wisconsin could jump Stanford and TCU and we could find out. But I'd put my money on Wisconsin.
The losing teams of the first two rounds could be sent to other bowl sites, using match-ups that make sense for each of those bowls if you want to keep the bowls, i'm don't really care either way, but I guess more games means more money. And if you think that wouldn't work by saying, "Nobody wants to play another game after losing in the playoffs." Then my response would be, "Isn't that how it is now?" All these conference championship game losers are going to have to go play in bowl games. Boise still goes to a bowl game. Teams have always been going to bowl games after huge end of season losses. We did it quite a bit in the 90s :(.
A big argument is that a playoff really doesn't decide who the best team is...just who is hot at the end. But college football is never fair on when teams play. After the playoffs and bowls are over, you could still have the AP vote for who they think if the NC if that's your thing. And if they want to vote the team that didn't win the playoffs, then have at it. I've always felt that you play during the season to get better...and the team who is playing the best by the end deserves more than a team who didn't grow. But that's just my feeling.
A lot of people don't want to ruin the regular season...stating that the regular season IS like a playoff, and putting a playoff in would kill that. I used to feel this way, but somewhere down the line my feelings changed. When Ohio State loses 2 games in a season, I don't stop caring. I still get just as excited. To me, the years where we "aren't" in a playoff are still very exciting. For most of college football, none of the year is a "playoff"...they are out of it before the season even begins. You put this playoff in to place, and then there is at least hope. With a real playoff, I believe more teams, not less would get to feel this playoff feelings. And even in the regular season, many games would still feel like a playoff. As Ohio State fans, we just have that feeling a lot already because of how lucky we are. OSU is always in the top 10 and in the thick of it...most everyone else isn't. (Side note...Can you believe we've finished in the top 10 since 2005 and top 20 since 2002...is there anybody else with a streak like that?)
And maybe you feel a team like Nevada doesn't deserve hope...but why not. For as good of a season they have had, if they got into a playoff like this and won at TCU, at Ohio State, vs. Auburn, and vs. Wisconsin...then I guess they would deserve it. Nobody in the country has 4 wins as big as those would be right now. If they did that, they'd get my #1 vote.
This is just for fun, but it's my dream. And for me, it would make this college football season MUCH more fun. (And i'd be a lot poorer because I would have spent a lot of money on tickets and gas.) But I would have seen LSU come to The 'Shoe...seen the Buckeyes expose TCU in Cowboy stadium, and seen a Sugar bowl against Newton and Auburn that would break my heart..but the ride would be much more fun than this season had been otherwise (granted this has been another November to remember.) But I'd say this December would top it.
Let the tearing down begin...
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billmac91
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Advantages to a Playoff
Just wanted to start a thread to pose the extreme benefits of a playoff....
1. Officials wouldn't be put in positions where they have to protect a National contender (last few years have been an absolute joke in terms of protecting teams).
2. Conferences wouldn't have to protect players in major scandals in the event they are going to the BCS championship.
What else?
Just wanted to start a thread to pose the extreme benefits of a playoff....
1. Officials wouldn't be put in positions where they have to protect a National contender (last few years have been an absolute joke in terms of protecting teams).
2. Conferences wouldn't have to protect players in major scandals in the event they are going to the BCS championship.
What else?
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billmac91;1826343; said:
Boise would actually have to prove themselves in more than 1 "tough" game a year.....and their fans could not cry anymore about how they are "proven" (because they beat Oklahoma 4 years ago) and deserve a shot
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billmac91
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buckeyemania11;1826345; said:
I know some will dismiss this thread, but point #1 actually has a lot of legitamcy to me.
I think having a playoff would improve officating more than nay other singular act you could come up with. These guys feel pressure from all angles to protect the championship team that has a shot at the title.
A playoff eliminates a little bit of the God-Awful officiating we see week in and week out...
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billmac91;1826349; said:
eh.... it would still probably happen though
example-
Lets say Alabama has 2 losses late in the season.....but is in position for an "At Large" birth in the playoff....they are playing an SEC team who is in no position to make a run for the playoff....Alabama is having a hard time in this game
chances are Alabama is going to be "protected" by the officials so the SEC can get that extra team into the playoff
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cincibuck
You kids stay off my lawn!
JXC;1825009; said:
(sarcasm) Well, before we can begin your playoff sceme we have to allow the conferences to squeeze the last full dime out of their athletes with THE CONFERENCE CHAMPIOHSHIP GAME -- ah, yes the CCG where you can have a Florida State at 6 - 2 in conference play have a shot at beating Va Tech - 8 and 0 in conference - and thus advance to the playoffs - or as in our current system - a BCS bowl game while Va Tech goes off to the Fight World Hunger Bowl. or a perfect Auburn can risk it's BCS NC game against a South Carolina bunch that went 5 - 3 in the same conference.
I can't wait to see what kind of tragi-comedy emerges from the B10 CCG in 2011 -- oh, and please let it be arena ball in some damn tent city hell hole like Indy or Detroit. After all, no one can play football in the cold with the possibility of snow. (/sarcasm)
Note to mods: The font gets all squiggly when you put brackets around the word 'sarcasm,' but it works if you use parentheises.
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JXC
17-4 since 2001
I just couldn't wait...had fun looking at the match-ups.
And I agree that a dome Big Ten Conference Championship is shitty. BUT maybe it's good to prepare for the bowl games? I mean, the winner is going to likely have to go play arena ball. But if the system changes like I'd want it to, then if a Big Ten team finishes high enough, then those teams down south are going to be forced to come up here and play.
And why should the NCAA not like this idea? If it's all about money, then the cold weather hurts nobody if it's a home game...it's still going to sell out and be a huge draw on TV...more-so than these bowls that don't sell out.
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jwinslow;1817744; said:
I don't know how many time I have to say this, but a playoff in no way shape or form diminishes the regular season. It doesn't in D-III football, it doesn't in D-II football, and it doesn't in D-IAA (FCS) football.
I-AA's 16-team format has worked great for over two decades (and is what enabled Tressel to win four NCs and play in six NC games at YSU)...it would work great for I-A (FBS).
EDIT: Read JXC's GPA post near the top of the page...he supports my position perfectly.
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