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osubartender23
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AuburnBuckeye;1492328; said:
So to get this straight upsets that happen in the regular season dont really matter but those in the playoffs do? So whats the point of playing the regular season if potential upsets dont matter? Why not just put the historically elite teams in a playoff and forego the regular season entirely? I see what you are trying to say with them mattering more in the playoffs, but that just doesnt jive.
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osubartender23
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jwinslow;1492345; said:
Don't they already pretty much do this anyway?:tongue2:
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zincfinger
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Like BKB, I'd have no problem with that. But that misses the point. No one is saying it's clear who the "best team in the country" is after the regular season. The anti-playoff argument in regard to fairness is that it isn't clear, and never can be made objectively clear. I'd go one further and say that most years, there is no objectively best team. There is a collection of comparable teams, and which one is playing the best at any given time varies from week to week. So bear in mind, it is only the playoff advocates who promote a sense of increased fairness as a reason for their system. But in general, a playoff would produce results in some specific instances that would appear to be more fair, and in other specific instances would produce results that appear to be less fair. Now just to recap, the anti-playoff argument is: forget fairness, it's a pipe-dream. And once you set aside the notion of fairness (which exists to some extent, but similarly imperfectly in any system), what you're left with is the question of what system makes the entire season - regular season plus postseason - the most entertaining and exciting from beginning to end. It's on that basis that some people decide in favor of the current system, relative to a playoff.Buckeyefrankmp;1492327; said:
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AuburnBuckeye
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That wasn't an argument for change, that was an argument in defense of my own argument. Maybe read whats happening sometimes?DaddyBigBucks;1492339; said:
I have found in my time as a CFB fan that Big 10 fans tend to lean towards keeping the current system while most of the rest of the country leans the other way, so yes an OSU board would have more people for the current system.
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AuburnBuckeye
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I never said upsets of specifically THAT magnitude. But there still can be major upsets.BB73;1492340; said:
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jwinslow;1492342; said:
Well, I'm not interested in "fair" as I've said. But, to answer your question, the BCS as a poll would be fine by me in selecting a champion. It takes human factors in to consideration (human polls) crunches data (computers) and achieves some result. I would "tweak" it if I could by not allowing polls before week X (say week 8, or some such) and I would also envision a "panel" of voters who were under some kind of criteria for their analysis/ranking. I won't outline what I think would be those criterion, but the point is, the polling system could be tightened up just as easy as creating a playoff.
Oh, you mean like we have even today, with the BCS, AP and others like Sagarin?Buckeyefrankmp;1492343; said:
Correction - it wouldn't be just the SEC claim, it would be Alabama, the SEC (assuming Alabama was 7-5 or some such (bama would still claim the tite of course) and Notre Dame.jwinslow;1492345; said:
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AuburnBuckeye
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That's not what I said AT ALL. BB said that the upsets wouldn't matter in the Reg. Season if a playoff was in place. I said they would if they happened in the playoffs.osubartender23;1492349; said:
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I have found in my time as a CFB fan that Big Ten fans "get it" whereas the rest of the country doesn't think it through.AuburnBuckeye;1492356; said:
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zincfinger
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Obviously, my point wasn't that everyone who favors a playoff is an Auburn fan, but do you think that situation would have bothered you a little more if you were an Auburn fan?jwinslow;1492342; said:
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AuburnBuckeye
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I have found in my time that everyone has a bias for themselves.Buckeyeskickbuttocks;1492368; said:I have found in my time as a CFB fan that Big Ten fans "get it" whereas the rest of the country doesn't think it through.
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I think you've made comments that would suggest differently, even if only in certain scenarios.
That still doesn't explain how you can differentiate from 3 virtually deadlocked candidates in that race. Who would you have picked?
I think it would be a giant mess, and there's no good way to pick between them. Having them face off head to head is better than guessing based on incompatible evidence, even if it does leave out 1 worthy contender.
You don't see the problem with that kind of system?
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zincfinger;1492369; said:
This explains much of this thread, lately. As for Jwins, he just wants to sell playoff pictures. It's all about the benjamins for Jwins.:tongue2:
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osubartender23
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jwinslow;1492373; said:
So in a playoff how would you decide who gets to be the number 1 seed out of those same 3 teams? The teams still would face off head to head, but in a playoff system the #1 team has the perception of having an easier path to the NC game than say the #3 team would. I dont think either system really can come up with an ideal way to fix the problem here within.
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