Don't bother... as a Pedster colleague told me, there was an offensive holding and an offensive hands to the face that also weren't called on the play. lol.
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If either Clemson or Washington loses, it'll be scUM, and not Wiscy, who gets the #4 slot:
1. Wiscy lost to Ohio State at home in 1 OT, whereas scUM lost to Ohio State on the road in 2 OT.
2. Wiscy lost the head-to-head with scUM
3. Unless Wiscy beats the Pedsters by 39 points, their win over them won't be as good as scUM's win over them
The committee has emphasized that the head-to-head and conference title factors are consider when the two teams are really close in rankings, or as the current committee head said this week, a "razor-thin margin" between the teams.
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zincfinger
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I thought the "razor-thin margin" comment was on the current separation between Washington and Michigan, not a general comment on when H2H and conference championship become important.
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bigdog3300
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That was the reference
I still think if Wisconsin wins they jump Michigan by a hair. Either way, committee will keep OSU at the 2 or 3 in hopes of a Bama vs OSU final and really, who doesn't want that?
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And nope in return. Unless Wiscy curbstomps Ped State, I think they'll give the nod to Michigan, "conference champion" be damned.
Regardless of the what the razor-thin comment was specifically referencing, he did state that the "tie breaker" stuff is used as more-or-less as last resort. If they feel an 10-2 Michigan team is better than an 11-2 Wisconsin team (and they are in all facets except in having the B1G title), then they'll keep Michigan ahead of Wisconsin.
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sparcboxbuck
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That's what I'm hoping for. Wisky to take State Penn behind the shed... and jump tsun. The meltdown between State Penn and tsun would be enough to keep the winter ambient temps in Chicago somewhere north of 45 degrees.
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zincfinger
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This is a sincere question, not a "challenge", but what did he/they say, specifically, that expressed this "last resort" idea?
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The committee has consistently said that they look at H2H, etc. when they need to break a tie between teams that are otherwise equal. I've said above, Ped being a 2 loss, whereas Ohio State is a 1 loss is why the H2H doesn't matter, and why if Ped wins, that won't matter either, as between OSU and Ped. OSU is "clearly better" (has 1 less loss) so those "tie breaking" factors aren't implicated.
Now, between scUM and Wisconsin (and Ped too), they are otherwise equal (both with 2 losses) Assuming Wiscy wins, the question is - does the committee value H2H over a Conference Championship? I can't answer that, but personally I would. Ped is easier, as scUM demolished them.
Now, between scUM and Wisconsin (and Ped too), they are otherwise equal (both with 2 losses) Assuming Wiscy wins, the question is - does the committee value H2H over a Conference Championship? I can't answer that, but personally I would. Ped is easier, as scUM demolished them.
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zincfinger
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I think I've seen Hocutt say that H2H and conference championship are among the factors that they use to distinguish teams they believe are comparable. To me, that is not quite as rigid as a last resort when two teams are equal.
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I think, and Mili can answer for himself, that's all he was saying when he said "last resort" - it doesn't come into play unless teams are otherwise equal/comparable. Now, even there, maybe the committee defers to the "eye test" and not number of losses I mean, we really don't know what goes on. I'm just assuming they're being as "principled" as they can be, and losses makes sense as a factor (and it appears the committee has behaved this way in both prior years' selections (note, that's why OSU wasn't selected last year (eye test winner) as they were competing with other one loss teams, and lost the "tie break" to them as they did not have the conference championship, which OU, Clemson and Sparty did... and Sparty also had H2H))
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I suppose I should also add, assuming Clemson and Washington win, I'd anticipate Ohio State falling to 3 for sure, and could even see them falling to 4, as each of these 1 loss comparables has a championship that OSU will not. However, I think the committee will "hide behind" SOS to keep OSU 3, so you have Bama eyeballs and OSU eyeballs watching separate games on TV this New Year's Eve. While I am saying I think the committee is being as principled as it can be, I also have not forgotten to follow the money 
Seriously, though, that's my expectation assuming Clemson and Washington win. 1) Bama 2) Clemson 3) Ohio State 4) Washington. But, I could easily see - on these principles - OSU falling to 4
Seriously, though, that's my expectation assuming Clemson and Washington win. 1) Bama 2) Clemson 3) Ohio State 4) Washington. But, I could easily see - on these principles - OSU falling to 4
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zincfinger
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I've generally been skeptical of the idea that the committee is substantially motivated by tv ratings and projected revenues, but I may well be naive on that.I suppose I should also add, assuming Clemson and Washington win, I'd anticipate Ohio State falling to 3 for sure, and could even see them falling to 4, as each of these 1 loss comparables has a championship that OSU will not. However, I think the committee will "hide behind" SOS to keep OSU 3, so you have Bama eyeballs and OSU eyeballs watching separate games on TV this New Year's Eve. While I am saying I think the committee is being as principled as it can be, I also have not forgotten to follow the money
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I hear ya. I'm just a tad more pessimistic on the issue.... If Ohio State ends up 4, I guess I'll have to rethink the "follow the money" idea ... or at least dial it back when it comes to the committee.
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