College Football Playoff (2015-16 Season)

[buckeyesin07]

Ranking Iowa ahead of OSU seems odd to me:

- What if Alabama had beaten Florida and USC had beaten Stanford? Is the committee really suggesting that Iowa would have been a playoff team, despite its loss on Saturday night to MSU?
- If the answer to latter question is "no," then it suggests the committee ranks the same teams differently based on which teams are in the playoff. And that seems at odds with its written protocol.

 

[Gcashwell]

Ranking Iowa ahead of OSU seems odd to me:

- What if Alabama had beaten Florida and USC had beaten Stanford? Is the committee really suggesting that Iowa would have been a playoff team, despite its loss on Saturday night to MSU?
- If the answer to latter question is "no," then it suggests the committee ranks the same teams differently based on which teams are in the playoff. And that seems at odds with its written protocol.

I think if USC had beaten stanford, the top four would have been identical. If you meant to say that both bama and stanford lost, then I think Iowa would have made the playoff. They played well in a game that OSU didn't make it to.

 

[buckeyesin07]

I think if USC had beaten stanford, the top four would have been identical. If you meant to say that both bama and stanford lost, then I think Iowa would have made the playoff. They played well in a game that OSU didn't make it to.

You're right--I meant Florida beat Bama and USC beat Stanford. That aside, such reasoning to put Iowa in the playoff seems wrong. They were only in the Big Ten title game because the Big Ten West sucked this year. If the committee's doing its job of putting in the best four teams, there's no way one-loss Iowa gets in over one-loss OSU.

 

[Gcashwell]

You're right--I meant Florida beat Bama and USC beat Stanford. That aside, such reasoning to put Iowa in the playoff seems wrong. They were only in the Big Ten title game because the Big Ten West sucked this year. If the committee's doing its job of putting in the best four teams, there's no way one-loss Iowa gets in over one-loss OSU.

It looks to me like Iowa played MSU better than OSU did.

 

[UpNorth_Buckeye]

I personally think that if Bama and stanford lost, they would have put osu in. But since neither osu or Iowa were in the playoffs, they rewarded Iowa with the Rose. And I don't have an issue with that. Technically not what they are supposed to do, but I think they did. I think their overall eye test/agenda would have put osu in over Iowa.

 

[shiloh]

Ohio State's loss, although ugly, was to the #3 team at ***home*** on a last second play.

Iowa's loss was to that same #3 team on a last second play.

Oklahoma's loss was to 5-7 TX and didn't play an extra conference game against a top team.

'Bama's loss was to #12 Ole Miss.

That #3 team won a game on a last second fluke play and lost a game on a last second disputed play.

'Bama got in the SEC conference championship game on a last second fluke play by Arkansas.

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So what's my point? It takes a lot of luck to win a NC. When you lose matters, although it shouldn't. And wouldn't be surprised if next year there is an 8 team playoff because of the obvious reason ~ $$$ er fairness er $$$.

Re: bowl games it's a crap shoot after a 3/4 week layoff and especially hard to get players motivated after the Xmas holidays. So many distractions especially w/today's social media, etc. Some coaches have better success than others. Another reason Saban and Meyer are in a class by themselves ie consistency in performance no matter what the situation. IOW they hate to lose anytime/anywhere. And yes, it also helps to have the top recruiting classes year after year. And of course they have the best recruiting classes because they are the best coaches. Funny how that works!

btw, re: 5-7 Texas who beat Oklahoma. They lost to ND 38-3, TCU 50-7, Iowa State 24-0. That said, with some luck they could have finished 8-4. They are to the Big 12 what Nebraska is to the B1G this year. I digress. And I see Nebraska is in a bowl game with a 5-7 record !!!

I yield back the balance of my time ...

Merry Christmas & Happy New Year !!!

 

[buckeyesin07]

It looks to me like Iowa played MSU better than OSU did.

Understood, appreciate the perspective. I guess I'm not sure why the focus would be on what each team did against MSU (as opposed to, say, what each team did to Illinois; by the way, OSU crushed them in Champaign, whereas Iowa struggled to beat them in Iowa City). And not to make excuses, but if you're just looking at what they did against MSU, Iowa wasn't playing in horrible weather (no way Beathard completes that 85 yard TD pass in the monsoon in which OSU and MSU played). And both Iowa and OSU lost by three points.

 

[buckeyesin07]

Ohio State's loss, although ugly, was to the #3 team at ***home*** on a last second play.

Iowa's loss was to that same #3 team on a last second play.

Oklahoma's loss was to 5-7 TX and didn't play an extra conference game against a top team.

'Bama's loss was to #12 Ole Miss.

That #3 team won a game on a last second fluke play and lost a game on a last second disputed play.

'Bama got in the SEC conference championship game on a last second fluke play by Arkansas.

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So what's my point? It takes a lot of luck to win a NC. When you lose matters, although it shouldn't. And wouldn't be surprised if next year there is an 8 team playoff because of the obvious reason ~ $$$ er fairness er $$$.

Yeah, it seemed OSU's loss to a great MSU team doomed them, whereas people were willing to look the other way on Oklahoma's loss to a pathetic Texas team, Alabama's loss to a "good" Ole Miss team, and Stanford's two (!) losses to "good" Northwestern and Oregon teams. The only explanation is the timing of the loss.

 

[shiloh]

Suffice it to say Ohio State played it's worse game of the year against MSU and were dominated on both the offense/defense line of scrimmages. As mentioned before, if not for a fumble, botched punt return and missed field goal MSU would have won 20-0.

And speaking of turnovers, back to Nebraska which lost to Iowa by 8 even though they led in total yardage 433-250, *but* Iowa had (4) interceptions.

Indeed, Nebraska lost by 5 on a last second Hail Mary, by 3 in o/t, by 1, by 2, by 2, by 10 respectively and the last game by 8 to Iowa. So they lost 7 games by a total of 31 pts.

hmm, remember last year when the Buckeyes were losing to Indiana late in the third quarter and that same team a couple weeks later beat Wisky by 59, and went on to defeat 'Bama by 7 and Oregon by 22.

It's a longgg season ...

carry on

 

[Gcashwell]

Yeah, it seemed OSU's loss to a great MSU team doomed them, whereas people were willing to look the other way on Oklahoma's loss to a pathetic Texas team, Alabama's loss to a "good" Ole Miss team, and Stanford's two (!) losses to "good" Northwestern and Oregon teams. The only explanation is the timing of the loss.

That is correct. There just wasn't enough time to recover. Nobody could say, "since the loss, OSU has fixed this, this, and that". Only, "they lost at home two weeks ago to a team with a backup qb."

 

[Jaxbuck]

As mentioned before, if not for a fumble, botched punt return and missed field goal MSU would have won 20-0.

if not for a set of balls my uncle would be my aunt

The OSU DE crushed a guy and forced the fumble so not sure why people want to apologize for it and if we are playing "if/but" game If JT hits a wide open Braxton Miller, OSU wins.

It's all immaterial now but the theme of OSU fans looking through the ESPN analyst lens at everything OSU does is getting on my nerves.

 

[shiloh]

If JT hits a wide open Braxton Miller, OSU wins. ... is getting on my nerves.

If Braxton doesn't "sail a pass over Devier Posey's head on what could've been a 76-yard TD" Ohio State would be on a five game winning streak against TTUN. And sorry for getting on your nerves, but the Buckeye's didn't show up against MSU. 132 total yards is an all-time low for an Urban Meyer offense. Of course the main reason, besides the weather, for their futility is the defense couldn't keep MSU's offense off the field. And the defense was exhausted 'cause the offense had many 3 and outs. A vicious cycle ...

So it was a team effort!

 

[UpNorth_Buckeye]

Looks like msu is lucky to be in the CFP. False start imo on the TD by the FB.

 

[Jaxbuck]

If Braxton doesn't "sail a pass over Devier Posey's head on what could've been a 76-yard TD" Ohio State would be on a five game winning streak against TTUN. And sorry for getting on your nerves, but the Buckeye's didn't show up against MSU. 132 total yards is an all-time low for an Urban Meyer offense. Of course the main reason, besides the weather, for their futility is the defense couldn't keep MSU's offense off the field. And the defense was exhausted 'cause the offense had many 3 and outs. A vicious cycle ...

So it was a team effort!

wasn't directed at you individually. Sorry if it came across that way.

There just seemed to be an incredible amount of that stuff in all the discussions about what the CFP committee would do, where OSU should be ranked and such.

I'm as salty as anyone over the way it ended but overall OSU fans need make no apologies or act like the sky is falling. OSU is the most talented team even though it isn't in the field. If it were it would be odds on favorite to win it all again.

I think some people (again, not directed at you) spend so much time listening to that bullshit ESPN and their ilk spew forth that they get Stockholm Syndrome and start seeing something negative in everything about the program.

 

[shiloh]

Continuing my if not ... if not for "tattoo gate" Terrell Pryor *might* have been the first Buckeye's qb with 4 wins over TTUN. But then Urban Meyer wouldn't be the current coach. It's all good. Winning every game is unrealistic. Doable, but unrealistic. Let downs are inevitable. Just ask Nick Saban and Urban Meyer. Meyer still has one streak going ~ not losing a B1G regular season road game in (4) years!