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BuckeyeTrail
Michael Jenkins...does it again!!!
i hate bob stoops. this only confirms my theory about this guy. it's pretty amazing when you compare him with tressel.
stoops is pretty much a dick that doesn't really care about his player's, while tressel is genuinely interested in them as human beings.
the big xii is such a weak conference. we sucked last year, yet i honestly believe we probably could have gone undefeated in the big xii. oklahoma st was running over people all year, and we totally shut it down, even though we only had an average defensive line by our standards. it all starts up front, if your d-line can dominate games you will be very tough to beat. look no further than the 2002 and 03 seasons, as well as our shellacking at the hands of florida st in the sugar bowl. of course, once we got to the title game, we would have gotten blasted by usc.
everybody thinks that stoops is so great because he "reloads" every year. when, the truth of the matter is, the conference is so weak that he can go 8-0 every year, regardless of how good his team actually is.
i can't believe my brownies drafted not one, but TWO members of oklahoma's incredibly overrated secondary. everytime i see them play their secondary is getting its ass handed to them. their 2 losses in '02 when they were supposed to be this juggernaut, their total haplessness against a kansas st team which we destroyed, their escapes in '04 where they gave up like 30+ pts in each game, and their complete inability to defend the forward pass against usc. why the hell didn't we draft dustin fox, mel tucker should have stormed into the draft room and slit open phil savage's throat, that guy bought into the oklahoma hype, hook, line and sinker.
if you ask anybody in the country that isn't a buckeye fan, who's a better coach, tressel or stoops, and 100 percent will respond with stoops. i hate that arrogant dickhead, if only we could have gotten past meeeeeechigan in '03, krenzel and jenkins would have had a field day while jason white would have gone home in a body bag. i still remember stoops's halftime interview in the lsu game, the lady asked him something like "how are you guys going to adjust in the 2nd half against the nation's number 1 defense?", and like the jackass he is, said "they don't have the best defense, we do" and the lady was probably thinking to herself "whatever, i might know little about football and am pretty much nothing more than a vapid whore, but all i saw in the first half was you guys get completely dominated, keep telling yourself that your the best because you can beat the even more hapless mack brown and baylor 70-0"
i would hate to be an auburn fan, they had a very sweet team that was more than capable of beating usc (not saying that they would have, just saying that it would be a close game), but everybody dismisses them because they are so impressed by how usc blew out oklahoma. yes usc is a great team but oklahoma fucking sucks. imagine in '02 if oklahoma had somehow managed to survive the a&m and okie st games, it would have been them vs. miami in the fiesta, miami would have killed them, and everybody would laugh at us if we claimed that we could have beaten miami.
in my opinion, he's one of the most overrated coaches in the history of the universe.
i apologize for the length of this post, but anytime the thought of bob stoops enters my brain i just fucking lose it.
stoops is pretty much a dick that doesn't really care about his player's, while tressel is genuinely interested in them as human beings.
the big xii is such a weak conference. we sucked last year, yet i honestly believe we probably could have gone undefeated in the big xii. oklahoma st was running over people all year, and we totally shut it down, even though we only had an average defensive line by our standards. it all starts up front, if your d-line can dominate games you will be very tough to beat. look no further than the 2002 and 03 seasons, as well as our shellacking at the hands of florida st in the sugar bowl. of course, once we got to the title game, we would have gotten blasted by usc.
everybody thinks that stoops is so great because he "reloads" every year. when, the truth of the matter is, the conference is so weak that he can go 8-0 every year, regardless of how good his team actually is.
i can't believe my brownies drafted not one, but TWO members of oklahoma's incredibly overrated secondary. everytime i see them play their secondary is getting its ass handed to them. their 2 losses in '02 when they were supposed to be this juggernaut, their total haplessness against a kansas st team which we destroyed, their escapes in '04 where they gave up like 30+ pts in each game, and their complete inability to defend the forward pass against usc. why the hell didn't we draft dustin fox, mel tucker should have stormed into the draft room and slit open phil savage's throat, that guy bought into the oklahoma hype, hook, line and sinker.
if you ask anybody in the country that isn't a buckeye fan, who's a better coach, tressel or stoops, and 100 percent will respond with stoops. i hate that arrogant dickhead, if only we could have gotten past meeeeeechigan in '03, krenzel and jenkins would have had a field day while jason white would have gone home in a body bag. i still remember stoops's halftime interview in the lsu game, the lady asked him something like "how are you guys going to adjust in the 2nd half against the nation's number 1 defense?", and like the jackass he is, said "they don't have the best defense, we do" and the lady was probably thinking to herself "whatever, i might know little about football and am pretty much nothing more than a vapid whore, but all i saw in the first half was you guys get completely dominated, keep telling yourself that your the best because you can beat the even more hapless mack brown and baylor 70-0"
i would hate to be an auburn fan, they had a very sweet team that was more than capable of beating usc (not saying that they would have, just saying that it would be a close game), but everybody dismisses them because they are so impressed by how usc blew out oklahoma. yes usc is a great team but oklahoma fucking sucks. imagine in '02 if oklahoma had somehow managed to survive the a&m and okie st games, it would have been them vs. miami in the fiesta, miami would have killed them, and everybody would laugh at us if we claimed that we could have beaten miami.
in my opinion, he's one of the most overrated coaches in the history of the universe.
i apologize for the length of this post, but anytime the thought of bob stoops enters my brain i just fucking lose it.
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BuckeyeTrail
Michael Jenkins...does it again!!!
another thing i want to mention. this rating has nothing to do with wins and losses. this is the PLAYERS responding to questions about how the coach treated them, not the media rating a coach based on their uninformed biases and overreacting to a great/bad year in the W-L department.
basically, the players all love tressel because he is fair, honest, and cares about them, as well as being a good coach. the other big name coaches that scored low might be smart x's and o's guys, but they are dicks.
i'm so glad we have tressel, he's the next joe paterno, he's going to be here many many years and leave an idelible legacy. hopefully people will learn to realize that there is more to coaching a football team than "opening up" the offense (i already went on my stoops rant, so i'm going to avoid ranting here, even though i'm so fucking sick of the phrase "opening up" the offense that i want to vomit). really, would you rather have tressel or urban meyer? man, if we don't play usc in the rose, i really hope it's florida. GOD would that be satisfying.
basically, the players all love tressel because he is fair, honest, and cares about them, as well as being a good coach. the other big name coaches that scored low might be smart x's and o's guys, but they are dicks.
i'm so glad we have tressel, he's the next joe paterno, he's going to be here many many years and leave an idelible legacy. hopefully people will learn to realize that there is more to coaching a football team than "opening up" the offense (i already went on my stoops rant, so i'm going to avoid ranting here, even though i'm so fucking sick of the phrase "opening up" the offense that i want to vomit). really, would you rather have tressel or urban meyer? man, if we don't play usc in the rose, i really hope it's florida. GOD would that be satisfying.
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sandgk
Watson, Crick & A Twist
The one for which I have a sly grin is this rating:
<table border="0" width="100%"> <tbody><tr><td height="30" valign="top">The best phrase describing Coach is: </td> <td align="right">
Which probably does sum up Fat Fuck Phil Fulmer pretty well.
Wonder who he pissed off so badly?
<table border="0" width="100%"> <tbody><tr><td height="30" valign="top">The best phrase describing Coach is: </td> <td align="right">
<!-- Other: 0.0--> Mentor/Role Model: 10.0%
Well Respected: 50.0%
Father Figure: 10.0%
<!-- Assertive: 0.0--> <!-- Drill Sergeant: 0.0--> Troubled: 20.0%
Corrupt: 10.0%
</td></tr></tbody> </table> Well Respected: 50.0%
Father Figure: 10.0%
<!-- Assertive: 0.0--> <!-- Drill Sergeant: 0.0--> Troubled: 20.0%
Corrupt: 10.0%
Which probably does sum up Fat Fuck Phil Fulmer pretty well.
Wonder who he pissed off so badly?
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methomps
an imbecility, a stupidity without name
I agree that the Big12 is overrated, and that tOSU would've had a decent shot at going undefeated in the North, but I don't think you could use the OkieSt game to say you could've gone undefeated in the South. IIRC, OkieState lost to every other B12 South team except Baylor.BuckeyeTrail said:
Offtopic: Has anyone seen OkieState's non-conference schedule for next year? Montant State, Florida Atlantic, and Arkansas State.
That 'lady' was Lynn Swann, who is not a lady (not that I have first-hand proof of this). I remember that exchange. Stoops was a dick and argued scoring defense vs. total defense as if the point was worth being a dick over.BuckeyeTrail said:
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BuckeyeTrail
Michael Jenkins...does it again!!!
obviously i can't prove that we would have gone undefeated in the big xii. all i know is that we are going to totally destroy texas and i am going to bet a lot of money (actual cash, not vcash) on it. just like i plunked 200 down on usc, as i scrambled to set up my online account right before kickoff when trev alberts started talking about how oklahoma was going to physically dominate or some other such nonsense.
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I'm glad I'm not the only one who hates Stoops. He is an arrogant dickhead. I believe OSU would have spanked Oklahomo the last 3 years.
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My Thoughts:
Rated WAY TOO HIGH:
Brown 9.3
Carr 9.0
Sherrill 8.7
Rated WAY TOO LOW:
Alvarez 8.1
Rated WAY TOO HIGH:
Brown 9.3
Carr 9.0
Sherrill 8.7
Rated WAY TOO LOW:
Alvarez 8.1
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I agree with a lot of what's been said here. I don't know about Alvarez, he's done some pretty dubious things in his tenure (the shoes scandal and suspending a kid for 1/2 in the second game of the year, which just happend to be Akron instead of a top team in the opener, who I think was Oregon, come to mind), but I personally loathe the air he breathes, so I won't say more than that lest my personal feelings get in the way of a sound assessment. I really agree with Dubs about Sherrill, who if he didn't invent how to be an arrogant cheating fucktowel, certainly perfected it. As for Brown, I could have been able to say he built a career on running up the score on creampuffs and never ever winning a game that mattered ever, but then leave it to the assholes up north...
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schwab
Donkey Punch Ann Arbor
all i can say is i'm laughing my ass off at some of these posts and it is NOT in jest! Fucktowel is a term i will borrow and give credit later, but stoops is one of the guys we could have hired at tOSU and, i agree, thank god we DID NOT. i wouldn't want anyone but JT in charge right now, and hindsight has nothing to do with it. maybe a little but it's 20/20. Jimmy has us where we need to be, and after this team moves on and our underclassmen become our team, his rep will clearly speak for itself, as one of the best coaches in cfb history. the reload thing is in place, and recruiting has never been so much fun.
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kaligula
Rookie
Unscientific, miniscule sample sizes, questionable methodology...
I've seen these "ratings" pop up on a number of message boards, and they are simply not even close to being statistically valid.
Volunteer sampling from any population set is almost always biased, and in this case, the fact that ratings are not even weighted by a variety of factors makes these ratings even more of a joke. Let's not even mention the small sample sizes, which are simply too small to allow calculation of a meaningful weighted statistic, much less estimate the sampling error.
For example, volunteer ratings should probably be weighted by class, with seniors carrying more weight than freshman. Imagine a coach like Woody being rated only by a sample of 8 players, each being freshmen who are motivated to respond to the survey because he's being a hardass. By their senior years, each could probably be willing to die for the guy.
When coaches switch jobs, the bias in volunteer sampling from former players and new players could likely be quite large, especially with such small sample sizes.
For this website, which been registered for less than 2 years, to pretend to publish a rating system for coaches based on limited volunteer sampling without any statistical methodology is pure nonsense.
I've seen these "ratings" pop up on a number of message boards, and they are simply not even close to being statistically valid.
Volunteer sampling from any population set is almost always biased, and in this case, the fact that ratings are not even weighted by a variety of factors makes these ratings even more of a joke. Let's not even mention the small sample sizes, which are simply too small to allow calculation of a meaningful weighted statistic, much less estimate the sampling error.
For example, volunteer ratings should probably be weighted by class, with seniors carrying more weight than freshman. Imagine a coach like Woody being rated only by a sample of 8 players, each being freshmen who are motivated to respond to the survey because he's being a hardass. By their senior years, each could probably be willing to die for the guy.
When coaches switch jobs, the bias in volunteer sampling from former players and new players could likely be quite large, especially with such small sample sizes.
For this website, which been registered for less than 2 years, to pretend to publish a rating system for coaches based on limited volunteer sampling without any statistical methodology is pure nonsense.
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lvbuckeye
Silver Surfer
dude. in case you couldn't figure it out, the player ratings were taken by averaging the answers/scores given ONLY by graduating Seniors or Juniors departing early at the cooperating schools...naturally this system would be skewed if you factored in the ratings of underclassmen, but if you look just slightly below the surface, you would see that the number of players interviewed per coach/program correlates exactly to the number of departing players of any given Program... it is an 'exit poll,' if you will, and, by definition, would not be completed by current members of any cooperating program...
to paraphrase: how can one fill out an exit poll if one is currently a member of a program? answer? one can't...
this rating system had more validity than you can comprehend...
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kaligula
Rookie
LOL...more validity than i can comprehend???
Well, Okay, I do have a BS Degree in Mathematics. And I can read.
Here's what that site said about "Participant Invitation:"
<i>Coach Ratings™ invites current and former college football, college basketball and college baseball players to submit a rating on their respective coach. Other select individuals will be contacted to participate in the rating process, including other coaches or athletic department staff. We encouraged athletes to contact Coach Ratings™ to submit a rating. </i>
Well, dude, that's called a volunteer sample.
Do you live in fantasyland to think that there is "official cooperation" between coachratings.com and these university athletic programs.
I mean, i hope you were just being facetious...
Your kidding, right????lvbuckeye said:
Well, Okay, I do have a BS Degree in Mathematics. And I can read.
Here's what that site said about "Participant Invitation:"
<i>Coach Ratings™ invites current and former college football, college basketball and college baseball players to submit a rating on their respective coach. Other select individuals will be contacted to participate in the rating process, including other coaches or athletic department staff. We encouraged athletes to contact Coach Ratings™ to submit a rating. </i>
Well, dude, that's called a volunteer sample.
Do you live in fantasyland to think that there is "official cooperation" between coachratings.com and these university athletic programs.
I mean, i hope you were just being facetious...
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