• Follow us on Twitter @buckeyeplanet and @bp_recruiting, like us on Facebook! Enjoy a post or article, recommend it to others! BP is only as strong as its community, and we only promote by word of mouth, so share away!
  • Consider registering! Fewer and higher quality ads, no emails you don't want, access to all the forums, download game torrents, private messages, polls, Sportsbook, etc. Even if you just want to lurk, there are a lot of good reasons to register!

Coaching changes: coaches hired and fired, comings and goings

Jump to latest Follow Reply
Sort by date Sort by votes
Jaxbuck said:
They can have some serious liability. maybe that should factor into their thought process.
Click to expand...

"Joesus" protected a child molester for years and is still worshipped by one of the biggest fan bases in America. Fans will rationalize any coach if he brings wins to their program. Its a sad truth in sports, but even moreso in CFB. Coaches have hid players' ugly transgressions for decades in pursuit of wins
 
Upvote 0
pnuts34 said:
"Joesus" protected a child molester for years and is still worshipped by one of the biggest fan bases in America. Fans will rationalize any coach if he brings wins to their program. Its a sad truth in sports, but even moreso in CFB. Coaches have hid players' ugly transgressions for decades in pursuit of wins
Click to expand...
I get all that.

From a University leadership perspective, you hire a guy with his known background and something happens...you don't have the resources to cover the liabilities.
 
Upvote 0
Jaxbuck said:
I get all that.

From a University leadership perspective, you hire a guy with his known background and something happens...you don't have the resources to cover the liabilities.
Click to expand...
Yup. Someone has their risk management team tied up and ball gagged for this to go through.

No way in hell, regardless of how desperate you are, can a school take on this kind of potential liability. His behavior at BU was “fool me once,” anything that happens now falls under “fool me twice” and they’ll have no way of suggesting plausible deniability. They’re on the hook for whatever happens.
 
Upvote 0
pnuts34 said:
And I get all that.

But if he brings on field success, then that covers the liabilities... Unfortunately
Click to expand...

To be clear, no it doesn’t. It’s a bet, the school is making, that the expected value of his positive (probability of his on-field success) is a greater positive than the expected value of his negative (probability of the downsides of another scandal and associated fallout). They are severely underestimating the downside for what could easily be replaceable upside that does not carry the same baggage.

Whoever lets that go through should either be fired or have notarized documents outlining their objections.
 
Upvote 0
sparcboxbuck said:
To be clear, no it doesn’t. It’s a bet, the school is making, that the expected value of his positive (probability of his on-field success) is a greater positive than the expected value of his negative (probability of the downsides of another scandal and associated fallout). They are severely underestimating the downside for what could easily be replaceable upside that does not carry the same baggage.

Whoever lets that go through should either be fired or have notarized documents outlining their objections.
Click to expand...

Exactly.

Quick Google search shows Grambling football lost $1MM in 2019 (before COVID). How much does anyone think a new offensive coordinator is going to generate?

Now, on the downside, you have Title 9 issues with the Feds and civil suits that can easily reach low 7 figures.

Unless this scumbag is self financing a huge surety bond of some sort the math just doesn't check out.

It's such a bad idea from the schools perspective I wouldn't be surprised if the source cited is Art Briles agent.
 
Upvote 0
Jaxbuck said:
Exactly.

Quick Google search shows Grambling football lost $1MM in 2019 (before COVID). How much does anyone think a new offensive coordinator is going to generate?

Now, on the downside, you have Title 9 issues with the Feds and civil suits that can easily reach low 7 figures.

Unless this scumbag is self financing a huge surety bond of some sort the math just doesn't check out.

It's such a bad idea from the schools perspective I wouldn't be surprised if the source cited is Art Briles agent.
Click to expand...
Maybe he's bringing Jesus from Baylor with him?
 
Upvote 0
sparcboxbuck said:
To be clear, no it doesn’t. It’s a bet, the school is making, that the expected value of his positive (probability of his on-field success) is a greater positive than the expected value of his negative (probability of the downsides of another scandal and associated fallout). They are severely underestimating the downside for what could easily be replaceable upside that does not carry the same baggage.

Whoever lets that go through should either be fired or have notarized documents outlining their objections.
Click to expand...

You’re sounding like a coach’s success doesn’t make the media and fans forget about heinous that they hide in the pursuit of victories. Like I stated, Paterno is still worshipped after hiding Sandusky's disgusting behavior, Les Miles was fired for essentially pimping out co eds to get recruits but no one talks about that no he’d still be employed if he wasn’t so horrible at Kansas. Oregeron was fired for his massive ego after the NC, yet no one talks about him also looking the other way when his players took advantage of co eds, and his famous quote is even on a thread on BP. Oregeron and Miles are far more remembered for their NCs than their Title IX issues. Same with Tom Osbornewho played Lawrence Phillips after not only assaulting his gf, but beating up the starting QB.

And not Title IX, but the scandals at schools like Miami, Oklahoma, Florida State are hardly even mentioned in comparison to their titles.
Programs will give coaches multiple chances if it produces wins. And history is littered with examples
 
Upvote 0
pnuts34 said:
You’re sounding like a coach’s success doesn’t make the media and fans forget about heinous that they hide in the pursuit of victories. Like I stated, Paterno is still worshipped after hiding Sandusky's disgusting behavior, Les Miles was fired for essentially pimping out co eds to get recruits but no one talks about that no he’d still be employed if he wasn’t so horrible at Kansas. Oregeron was fired for his massive ego after the NC, yet no one talks about him also looking the other way when his players took advantage of co eds, and his famous quote is even on a thread on BP. Oregeron and Miles are far more remembered for their NCs than their Title IX issues. Same with Tom Osbornewho played Lawrence Phillips after not only assaulting his gf, but beating up the starting QB.

And not Title IX, but the scandals at schools like Miami, Oklahoma, Florida State are hardly even mentioned in comparison to their titles.
Programs will give coaches multiple chances if it produces wins. And history is littered with examples
Click to expand...

Fans and media don’t pick up the bills to pay damage claims resulting in judgments against institutions found liable. .

You’re having a completely different discussion.
 
Upvote 0
sparcboxbuck said:
Fans and media don’t pick up the bills to pay damage claims resulting in judgments against institutions found liable. .

You’re having a completely different discussion.
Click to expand...

The institutions that cover those bills have no problem paying off victims and keeping the names of the coaches in tact. You can play moral police all you want, but colleges don't care when their coaches win big, if that means some of the players flout the rules, then so be it, if they win enough. Jimbo Fisher overlooked numerous rape charges against his players at FSU(Jameis Winston was accused of rape and Dalvin Cook punched a woman), yet he signed one of the biggest contracts in coaching history at aTm. Hell, Urban Meyer had a list of players arrested while at UF, but he was still OSU's last HC, I guess he wasn't a very big liability(especially with the suspect WR coach:roll1:). Briles was just coaching High School 2yrs ago, so a school thought he was "safe enough" to hire to coach teenage boys. It was only a matter of time before another college gave him another chance. If it wasn't Grambling, it would've been i.e: UTSA, North Texas, Sam Houston, etc
 
Upvote 0
pnuts34 said:
The institutions that cover those bills have no problem paying off victims and keeping the names of the coaches in tact. You can play moral police all you want, but colleges don't care when their coaches win big, if that means some of the players flout the rules, then so be it, if they win enough. Jimbo Fisher overlooked numerous rape charges against his players at FSU(Jameis Winston was accused of rape and Dalvin Cook punched a woman), yet he signed one of the biggest contracts in coaching history at aTm. Hell, Urban Meyer had a list of players arrested while at UF, but he was still OSU's last HC, I guess he wasn't a very big liability(especially with the suspect WR coach:roll1:). Briles was just coaching High School 2yrs ago, so a school thought he was "safe enough" to hire to coach teenage boys. It was only a matter of time before another college gave him another chance. If it wasn't Grambling, it would've been i.e: UTSA, North Texas, Sam Houston, etc
Click to expand...

As far as morality goes, zero fucks given what these programs do. My commentary is completely w/r/t the organizational risk they take on relative to the upside potential for taking the risk. Again, you seem to be missing the point. I’ll accept the blame for not being able to communicate it to you… although there’s apparently others who seem to grasp the subtle details.
 
Upvote 0
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top