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I would love to see them get the best LT with their first pick, and the best guard left with the second pick. I would also love to see them draft Fox to play nickel/safety, and Fraser to play end. Too bad my plan for the Browns to draft a lot of Buckeyes never works.
 
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ok...look at it this way. When the OL was healthy, the Browns played well. When they were hurt, they stunk. So the problem is depth, correct? You really want to use the #3 pick in the draft on an OL that may or may not be needed next year? If the problem is in fact depth then build depth in the later rounds. If Ferguson comes out, then I have no problem with drafting him but I don't know if there is an OL worth the #3 pick in the draft besides him. An offensive guru could come in and make the existing OL a very good one. Take Kubiak, he's helped make Denver the best around without a single 1st rounder on the line.

There is definetely a QB worth that pick. Mike Williams isn't even an option. He'll be great but the Browns would be stupid to take him. Derrick Johnson, Antrell Rolle, Halati Ngata, Rodrique Wright, and maybe Mathias Kiwanuka are worth a top 3 selection. Besides Kiwanuka, I don't see any DE's that could be worth even a top 5 pick and that's the next biggest need on the team if you ask me.

Besides Ferguson, Alex Barron could be worth a top 3 pick..Maybe even Guard Elton Brown. I just think you take a QB or one of the DT's, Derrick Johnson, or Ferguson and then wait till rounds 2-5 to get your OL's for depth.

The football freak in me wants Derrick Johnson to be the pick. That kid is a flat out stud with perennial all pro written all over him.

Johnson, Davis, and Holdman for years to come...not bad at all.
 
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ok...look at it this way. When the OL was healthy, the Browns played well. When they were hurt, they stunk. So the problem is depth, correct? You really want to use the #3 pick in the draft on an OL that may or may not be needed next year? If the problem is in fact depth then build depth in the later rounds.
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you forget the basic fact that the line from the playoff run is nowhere near the same line that is out there today. Verba is getting old and never was more than a mediocre LT with cleveland. faine is decent, but is flanked by 2 terrible guards. Most of the starters and the immediate backups for cleveland wouldnt be on other team's nfl rosters. injuries are not exclusive to cleveland.

you want to draft DJ to be the SOLB, but there's no guarantee that he would start over holdman or bentley either, so that point is also moot. if cleveland picks #3, look for them to trade down since there really isnt an ol worthy of the #3 pick, or they may consider drafting a DE.

Dallas wants antrel rolle badly, and has 2 1st round picks. that is a perfect scenario for both teams.
 
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if Dallas were to trade both #1's for the Browns pick, that would be fine and dandy with me but that won't happen.

Derrick Johnson could beat out Bentley in a heartbeat.

Garmon sucks? That's news to me.

There are so many OL's in this draft. They could get a second and third rounder that's a starter.

I like the idea of getting an OL, but that is one position where there are probably more late rounders that are great, than early rounders. If Clev can get themselves someone that knows more about evaluating talent than eating 5 cheeseburgers in 15 minutes, they won't need to draft an OL in the first round. But again, my thoughts go out the window if Ferguson comes out.

I was thinking about the 2002 OL (last playoff appearance)...how is that OL different than the one they have now? Looking back, I think it was worse than this one. Verba was hurt I believe. THey had Stokes and Tre Johnson (who got hurt also I think) with O'Hara, who was a late round pick...and they just got Tucker and I think Faine is better than Wahlabaugh. They just drafted Fowler and Gonzalez in the late rounds.

The defense was the reason why they got into the playoffs.
 
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Derrick Johnson could beat out Bentley in a heartbeat.

Garmon sucks? That's news to me.
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too bad bentley isnt the starter, and you dont know that DJ would beat him out.

garmon does suck, which is why SD with the worst OL in the league last year let him go. Their fans tried to warn us.

The OL pool in this year's draft is not that good. Cleveland needs two new guards and a LT. It was butch davis' brilliant strategy of drafting OL late that put cleveland in this mess to begin with, the willingness of so many to continue down that same path is puzzling.

in '02 the browns also had stokes, who could start at about 3 different positions on the line this year. Faine is not as good as Wolo.
 
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Well, it's a difference of opinion then. If you have ever seen Derrick Johnson play, you would retract your statement on him beating out Bentley or Thompson or whoever else. He's better right now than anyone Cleveland has....and Thompson starts at SLB, not Holdman. Holdman's on the week side.
I mean, you could use your philosophy on anyone with their first round pick. I mean, who's to say Verba would still beat out Alex Barron at LT? Just saying.

I think Faine has a higher upside than Wolo....Davis obviously cared enough about the line to use a #1 on Faine.

There are 3-5 guys at OL that will fall to the second round that should be late first rounders.

We have all kinds of time to argue about this, obviously.

I agree that Garmon sucks at pass blocking but he was brought in to run block
 
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I agree that Garmon sucks at pass blocking but he was brought in to run block
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with garmon's penchant for jumping offsides and holding, the browns have to throw much more, thereby rendering him useless.

The bottom line is that the browns have to upgrade both lines. the upgrade that DJ would bring to the lb position is minimal compared to what drafting an OL or DL in the 1st would bring.
 
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I only said Johnson is a possibility if the right QB or OL isn't there. Geez.

I'd rather see a DE but none are worth the #3 pick unless Erasmus James or Marcus Spears kick ass in the combines.

Back to the OL, I'm just saying. Getting an OL in free agency is better than using a top pick right now unless it's someone you cannot pass on, like a Gallery type. Use the mid rounds for more depth and surround yourself with vets..since Davis is gone I have little doubt that the OL could only be better.

JCOSU, I can't say Faine is a bust. The kid is so smart it's ridiculous. Great guy. Very intense.

I think the jury's still out on Green. Warren needs a large bonfire lit under his ass. I really wish the Browns grabbed Leonard Davis instead of Warren.
 
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Back to the OL, I'm just saying. Getting an OL in free agency is better than using a top pick right now unless it's someone you cannot pass on, like a Gallery type. Use the mid rounds for more depth and surround yourself with vets..since Davis is gone I have little doubt that the OL could only be better.
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The browns dont need just depth on the OL, they need quality starters. both guard positions need new starters. Verba is a mediocre LT with a few years left in him. Ryan Tucker is in his 9th year and isnt a spring chicken anymore.

Butch Davis tried building the OL with mid round picks. It works fiine if you are going to groom them for 3 or 4 years, but cleveland doesnt have that luxury.

There will be plenty of teams clamoring for that #3 pick.
 
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JCOSU, I can't say Faine is a bust. The kid is so smart it's ridiculous. Great guy. Very intense.

I think the jury's still out on Green. Warren needs a large bonfire lit under his ass. I really wish the Browns grabbed Leonard Davis instead of Warren.
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Faine is on one of the worst Offensive lines in history. Green has had, what, 3 years to do something. Warren has had 4. They are wastes of space. The Browns should blow this entire fucking team up and start again. With smart people running it this time.
 
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Faine is on one of the worst Offensive lines in history.
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Exactly!! The starters on this o-line would be fine if they were the backups which they would be on many, if not most, other teams in the NFL.

Davis drafted Faine and then ignored the obvious need for other o-linemen. Look at his draft record. A Davis draft was basically covering mistakes from his previous draft. A prime example is that he took Fowler in the 3rd round to be the eventual center but that didn't work so he had to take Faine in a later draft. The dipshit passed on Doss, when the team had a need at safety, and took Thompson in that year's 2nd round and even said that Thompson was at least a year away. That is wasting a 2nd round draft pick IMO; a good use of a 4th or 5th round pick, but not a 2nd. After passing on Doss, he then needed to draft a safety last year and had to trade to get the 2nd round pick to draft the safety because he was bluffed by Detroit. And let's not ever forget using a 5th round pick on a long-snapper! Why?! I'd say it is a better bet getting a long-snapper via free agency than a quality o-lineman. IMO Davis almost single-handedly has left the organization in a state that is worse than the expansion year!

With smart people running it this time.
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The other big, big key! Get a GM and let him do his job. For HC, I'm starting to be intrigued by Grimm, Pittsburgh's O-line coach and former Redskin 'Hog' o-lineman. Pittsburgh may have the best o-line in the NFL and Grimm has said all he wants to do is be a HC; he doesn't want to get involved with personnel issues.

This team has many many needs but the rebuilding should start on both lines. Granted, there is some talent sitting on the IR list, but there are still many holes on this team.
 
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