GoofyBuckeye
Nutis Maximus
No doubt. Davis did a royal screw job in his drafts, especially last years. Millen made Davis his bitch by laying one over on him when Winslow would have been there at #7. Nevermind the fact that he passed over Shawn Andrews, D'Angelo Hall, and Dunta Robinson. Shit, Ben Troupe was there in the second if he just kept that pick. Even though he would have never known for sure, giving up a second to move up one spot that wasn't necessary is cause for immediate firing. Sean Jones may turn out to be good, but trading up like that to get him makes no sense at all. Considering there was plenty of equals sitting there in the third round had they stood pat.
I still think Faine wasn't a bad pick. His family happens to be friends with mine so maybe I have some bias there, but the kid has brains and guts to go along with skill which is so important at center. I think the Fowler pick was to get some depth at center and guard. That said, Steinbach may have been the better pick there instead of Faine. I'm still confused on the Chaun Thompson pick. I don't care how good he looked at the combines. He was as raw as it gets. Like Prof said, Doss was there and so was LJ Smith and Jason Witten (that TE he could have gotten before Winslow). Chris Crocker may end up being the best pick in that draft. You can't argue with the Suggs pick.
I think we all can agree that picking Green over Portis was assinine. Picking him over Ed Reed has turned out to be the bigger issue. Davis could have picked Reed (and I remember many calling for his name to be announced) and still have gotten Portis or switched Reed for Portis in the 1st and gotten Michael Lewis now of Philly in the second. 2002 is where they really fucked up the Safety/RB positions. Picking Fowler in the third was ok, but he passed up on Ayodele instead. There's the OLB position that Chaun Thompson is "trying" to fill. You move to round 4 and they grabbed Taylor and Bentley. I like Bentley, but had they grabbed Ayodele they could have probably spent the 2 4th rounders on Randy McMichael (oh that TE position again), Alex Brown, or David Thornton. Andra Davis was a steal at round 5.
In 2001, there's obviously a problem draft Warren at 3. I remember hearing how inconsistent he was at Florida. I guess Butch thinks he's a miracle worker with all these raw, inconstent picks. The fact that he passed up on Tomlinson, Seymour, Stroud, and Hutchinson blows my mind. Moving up a spot to get Leonard Davis may not have been a bad move and I bet a 3rd rounder would have been all it takes. Morgan in the second? He had bad hands at K-State for god sakes. Taking him when you've already done two straight 2nd round WR's is crazy. The fact that they took him over Chad Johnson is really crazy, not to mention, Kendrell Bell, Ken Lucas, Fred Smoot, and Kris Jenkins passing by. James Jackson's pick in the third had to be a Miami guy picking a Miami player pick. You're sitting there knowing you need an OL and you pass over Kareem McKenzie and Mike Gandy. Anthony Henry in the 4th was a good pick. But considering Rudi Johnson was there, makes that James Jackson pick look even more terrible. Jeremiah Pharms really takes the cake on idiotic thinking. Jemetrius Butler would have been the better selection.
2000...what would you have done? The top 3 were clearly Brown, Arrington, and Samuels. I think most of us was loving the thought of making Samuels, Couch's protector, but a DE that had Brown's "potential" was hard to pass on. Northcutt wasn't the answer in the second. I knew they needed another WR but they could have easily waited another round and grabbed Darrell Jackson instead of Travis Prentice OR Jajuan Dawson. Greg Wesley would have been the other 3rd rounder that year. Taking Brown over Samuels was ok at the time, but to pass up on Marvel Smith and Chad Clifton in the second, for Northcutt, wasn't the best decision. He could have had his tackle. Taking Lewis Sanders over Na'il Diggs will always go down as one of the true bonehead moves with us Buckeyes. I know they needed CB's which is why they went with 2 more in the 5th, but none of them amounted to squat. Kabaja-Biamilla is a name Davis must have nightmares over by passing on him 3 times then eventually went in the late 5th by none other than Ron Wolf.
1999 was an absolute disaster and right then everyone but Policy knew Dwight Clark wasn't the best evaluator. I think alot of us were screaming for Culpepper or Ricky Williams. McNabb wasn't a bad choice either, obviously. Kevin Johnson seemed like a good idea but Chris Terry and Jon Jansen must have made too much sense for Clark and Policy. McCutcheon was a good pick in the third but you're starting from scratch. Why not go for the end rusher like Joey Porter or hold off on the Johnson pick, get Jansen and grab Marty Booker in the third, or better yet, don't use your other third on another tweener, Marquis Smith and get Booker there. Drafting Rainer in the 4th didn't look half bad and there wasn't any real depth at QB after the 1st round (had they grabbed Ricky or Edgerrin instead) because Aaron Brooks went after Rainer. Still, even had they drafted a QB at #1, drafting Brooks would have been smart considering Jay Foreman was there for the grabbing in the 5th.
What could have been:
I know it's all hindsight but it was obvious their draft boards sucked and they could have forecasted many of these picks since most of the ones I named went later on the round, after the Browns pick. Granted, had they started out right and taken Culpepper, Jon Jansen, Joey Porter, Booker, Brooks, and Foreman or even half of these guys, things would be so much brighter. With these guys, they still may have gotten the 1st pick the following year so Brown would have probably still have been the pick since Washington seemed set on Samuels and Arrington, but they could have gotten bookend tackles with Marvel Smith or Chad Clifton in the second. Darrell Jackson and Greg Wesley in the third, Diggs in the 4th and Kbaja-Biamila in the 5th. In year 3, I think they could have been somewhere around 6-7 wins planting them right in the spot to take Marcus Stroud, Casey Hampton, Steve Hutchinson...or Duece McAllister. My pick would have been McAllister even though he had possible injury concerns. So in year 3, they could have had McCallister, Kris Jenkins with the #2 pick, and William Peterson with the #3. For depth at LB, Edgerton Hartwell was an ideal pick at 4 and at RB, Derrick Blaylock in the 5th.
In 2002 (year 4), I think 10-11 wins was not out of the question. Ed Reed would have been there as was LeCharles Bentley. Reed would be the obvious pick. Had he been gone already, Bentley would be there. In round 2, it would have been cool to get Randle El. If not, Travis Fisher at CB. By this time, Davis had to know Brown was in trouble and drafting Alex Brown would have made sense with the 3rd pick. Pick Andra Davis or Najeh Davenport with the 4th.
2003..with the team assembled, 10-12 wins is not out of the question. Eric Steinbach could shore up the other guard position at #1 and Jason Witten for your TE in round 2. Reach a bit and take Asante Samuel for more CB depth in the 3rd. Jamaal Green for DE depth at 4 and Langton Moore for DT depth at 5.
This bring us to the now...Assuming Cleveland kept the team mostly together they would have had a late round pick because of the great record, Gamble or Jenkins could have been welcome additions, Keary Colbert, Darnell Dockett, or Ben Hartsock in the second and Stepanovich in the third.
So your Browns, without any free agent signings, could have been:
QB - Culpepper, Brooks
RB - McAllister, Blaylock
FB - Davenport
WR - Darrell Jackson, Marty Booker, Kerry Colbert
TE - Witten
OT - Jansen
OG - Steinbach
C - Stepanovich
OG -
OT - Marvel Smith
DE - Kbaja-Biamilla, Courtney Brown, Alex Brown, Jamaal Green
DT - Kris Jenkins, Langston Moore
OLB - Porter
ILB - Foreman, Hartwell
OLB - Diggs
CB - Will Peterson, Chris Gamble, Travis Fisher, Asante Samuel
FS - Ed Reed
SS - Greg Wesley
This is purely hypothetical, of course, but these were what I believe is the way the drafts could have fell into place keeping pre-draft positions in mind. I think with a core like this, or even half of this, free agents would be flocking there to play.....assuming Palmer and Davis both did something miraculous, like win games.
This bring me to the most important fuck up of them all. Hiring Palmer when Mr. Andy Reid was available in 1999 to tutor Culpepper or McNabb. Cause I have this feeling that had Reid been the coach he would have never thought about taking Couch.
I still think Faine wasn't a bad pick. His family happens to be friends with mine so maybe I have some bias there, but the kid has brains and guts to go along with skill which is so important at center. I think the Fowler pick was to get some depth at center and guard. That said, Steinbach may have been the better pick there instead of Faine. I'm still confused on the Chaun Thompson pick. I don't care how good he looked at the combines. He was as raw as it gets. Like Prof said, Doss was there and so was LJ Smith and Jason Witten (that TE he could have gotten before Winslow). Chris Crocker may end up being the best pick in that draft. You can't argue with the Suggs pick.
I think we all can agree that picking Green over Portis was assinine. Picking him over Ed Reed has turned out to be the bigger issue. Davis could have picked Reed (and I remember many calling for his name to be announced) and still have gotten Portis or switched Reed for Portis in the 1st and gotten Michael Lewis now of Philly in the second. 2002 is where they really fucked up the Safety/RB positions. Picking Fowler in the third was ok, but he passed up on Ayodele instead. There's the OLB position that Chaun Thompson is "trying" to fill. You move to round 4 and they grabbed Taylor and Bentley. I like Bentley, but had they grabbed Ayodele they could have probably spent the 2 4th rounders on Randy McMichael (oh that TE position again), Alex Brown, or David Thornton. Andra Davis was a steal at round 5.
In 2001, there's obviously a problem draft Warren at 3. I remember hearing how inconsistent he was at Florida. I guess Butch thinks he's a miracle worker with all these raw, inconstent picks. The fact that he passed up on Tomlinson, Seymour, Stroud, and Hutchinson blows my mind. Moving up a spot to get Leonard Davis may not have been a bad move and I bet a 3rd rounder would have been all it takes. Morgan in the second? He had bad hands at K-State for god sakes. Taking him when you've already done two straight 2nd round WR's is crazy. The fact that they took him over Chad Johnson is really crazy, not to mention, Kendrell Bell, Ken Lucas, Fred Smoot, and Kris Jenkins passing by. James Jackson's pick in the third had to be a Miami guy picking a Miami player pick. You're sitting there knowing you need an OL and you pass over Kareem McKenzie and Mike Gandy. Anthony Henry in the 4th was a good pick. But considering Rudi Johnson was there, makes that James Jackson pick look even more terrible. Jeremiah Pharms really takes the cake on idiotic thinking. Jemetrius Butler would have been the better selection.
2000...what would you have done? The top 3 were clearly Brown, Arrington, and Samuels. I think most of us was loving the thought of making Samuels, Couch's protector, but a DE that had Brown's "potential" was hard to pass on. Northcutt wasn't the answer in the second. I knew they needed another WR but they could have easily waited another round and grabbed Darrell Jackson instead of Travis Prentice OR Jajuan Dawson. Greg Wesley would have been the other 3rd rounder that year. Taking Brown over Samuels was ok at the time, but to pass up on Marvel Smith and Chad Clifton in the second, for Northcutt, wasn't the best decision. He could have had his tackle. Taking Lewis Sanders over Na'il Diggs will always go down as one of the true bonehead moves with us Buckeyes. I know they needed CB's which is why they went with 2 more in the 5th, but none of them amounted to squat. Kabaja-Biamilla is a name Davis must have nightmares over by passing on him 3 times then eventually went in the late 5th by none other than Ron Wolf.
1999 was an absolute disaster and right then everyone but Policy knew Dwight Clark wasn't the best evaluator. I think alot of us were screaming for Culpepper or Ricky Williams. McNabb wasn't a bad choice either, obviously. Kevin Johnson seemed like a good idea but Chris Terry and Jon Jansen must have made too much sense for Clark and Policy. McCutcheon was a good pick in the third but you're starting from scratch. Why not go for the end rusher like Joey Porter or hold off on the Johnson pick, get Jansen and grab Marty Booker in the third, or better yet, don't use your other third on another tweener, Marquis Smith and get Booker there. Drafting Rainer in the 4th didn't look half bad and there wasn't any real depth at QB after the 1st round (had they grabbed Ricky or Edgerrin instead) because Aaron Brooks went after Rainer. Still, even had they drafted a QB at #1, drafting Brooks would have been smart considering Jay Foreman was there for the grabbing in the 5th.
What could have been:
I know it's all hindsight but it was obvious their draft boards sucked and they could have forecasted many of these picks since most of the ones I named went later on the round, after the Browns pick. Granted, had they started out right and taken Culpepper, Jon Jansen, Joey Porter, Booker, Brooks, and Foreman or even half of these guys, things would be so much brighter. With these guys, they still may have gotten the 1st pick the following year so Brown would have probably still have been the pick since Washington seemed set on Samuels and Arrington, but they could have gotten bookend tackles with Marvel Smith or Chad Clifton in the second. Darrell Jackson and Greg Wesley in the third, Diggs in the 4th and Kbaja-Biamila in the 5th. In year 3, I think they could have been somewhere around 6-7 wins planting them right in the spot to take Marcus Stroud, Casey Hampton, Steve Hutchinson...or Duece McAllister. My pick would have been McAllister even though he had possible injury concerns. So in year 3, they could have had McCallister, Kris Jenkins with the #2 pick, and William Peterson with the #3. For depth at LB, Edgerton Hartwell was an ideal pick at 4 and at RB, Derrick Blaylock in the 5th.
In 2002 (year 4), I think 10-11 wins was not out of the question. Ed Reed would have been there as was LeCharles Bentley. Reed would be the obvious pick. Had he been gone already, Bentley would be there. In round 2, it would have been cool to get Randle El. If not, Travis Fisher at CB. By this time, Davis had to know Brown was in trouble and drafting Alex Brown would have made sense with the 3rd pick. Pick Andra Davis or Najeh Davenport with the 4th.
2003..with the team assembled, 10-12 wins is not out of the question. Eric Steinbach could shore up the other guard position at #1 and Jason Witten for your TE in round 2. Reach a bit and take Asante Samuel for more CB depth in the 3rd. Jamaal Green for DE depth at 4 and Langton Moore for DT depth at 5.
This bring us to the now...Assuming Cleveland kept the team mostly together they would have had a late round pick because of the great record, Gamble or Jenkins could have been welcome additions, Keary Colbert, Darnell Dockett, or Ben Hartsock in the second and Stepanovich in the third.
So your Browns, without any free agent signings, could have been:
QB - Culpepper, Brooks
RB - McAllister, Blaylock
FB - Davenport
WR - Darrell Jackson, Marty Booker, Kerry Colbert
TE - Witten
OT - Jansen
OG - Steinbach
C - Stepanovich
OG -
OT - Marvel Smith
DE - Kbaja-Biamilla, Courtney Brown, Alex Brown, Jamaal Green
DT - Kris Jenkins, Langston Moore
OLB - Porter
ILB - Foreman, Hartwell
OLB - Diggs
CB - Will Peterson, Chris Gamble, Travis Fisher, Asante Samuel
FS - Ed Reed
SS - Greg Wesley
This is purely hypothetical, of course, but these were what I believe is the way the drafts could have fell into place keeping pre-draft positions in mind. I think with a core like this, or even half of this, free agents would be flocking there to play.....assuming Palmer and Davis both did something miraculous, like win games.
This bring me to the most important fuck up of them all. Hiring Palmer when Mr. Andy Reid was available in 1999 to tutor Culpepper or McNabb. Cause I have this feeling that had Reid been the coach he would have never thought about taking Couch.
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