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Cleveland Cavs (2016 NBA Champions)

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BuckeyeNation27 said:
I love Fans. Kevin Love sucks. He's a bum. He's worthless. Fuck him.




Let's trade him for half the league's best players. :cheers:
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Just because he's been bad in the playoffs doesn't mean he won't have value on the open market. Teams like Boston and Phoenix are dying to overpay for a star. GMs will talk themselves into the idea that his decreased production in Cleveland was the result of a bad fit. Which is possible, though not entirely likely.

NJ-Buckeye said:
Fantasy land .. Love for Jimmy Butler
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That's the dream. Too bad it makes no sense from Chicago's vantage point.

AuTX Buckeye said:
Love to Boston for the 3rd pick and some players maybe... who knows.
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The Cavs won't take a pick. I'm not sure Jamal Murray/Buddy Hield for Kevin Love is a good trade, anyway. It'd have to be Crowder and Bradley.
 
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I wouldn't hate trading for him for my pistons. Hard to Guage his trade value since he's been a mess this postseason after being only a good, not great player, over the regular seasons. But maybe the 18th pick and KCP for Love? Not sure if that would be enough.
 
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WolverineMike said:
It's worse now than it was back when Shaq played. A Clippers game will last 4 hours because the other team will be losing by 10 in the 2nd quarter and they'll immediately start hacking DeAndre Jordan. They need to do something about it because it's a [Mark May]ty product to watch. I get trying to take advantage of a players weakness, but it shouldn't take away from the integrity of the game. Hopefully they address it in the off season, which I believe is being discussed.

Not sure what they can do though. Maybe if it's an obvious hack a whoever situation than you call it an "intentional" foul and the team gets two FT AND the ball back.
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I like the idea that I think Van Gundy mentioned last night. Make Hack-a-whoever 3 shots to make 2. That will still force players to work on their shooting but make it less likely that a foul will equal no points. It might still be worth it to foul a guy like Drummond, but a 60% FT shooter is more likely to hit 2 of 3. I think hack-a-TT backfired on GS last night since it gave Lebron and Kyrie a rest with TT hitting enough of the FT's for them not to be empty possessions. I don't like the shots and the ball idea since it is the players fault for being a shitty FT shooter. If you are in the NBA there is no reason to be worse than a 60% FT shooter.
 
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BuckeyeMafia said:
I don't think it's reasonable to change the rules because some players are historically bad at one facet of the game. Kevin Love sucks at defense, but the Cavs aren't asking the league to take defense out of the game. Hack-a-whoever is a legitimate strategy. DeAndre Jordan shouldn't be rewarded for his incompetence.
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All the hacking, including the desperation end-of-game stuff is the biggest turn off for basketball imo. And why i dont watch very often.
It completely destroys the flow of the game. Is this basketball or horse?
 
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BuckeyeMafia said:
Just because he's been bad in the playoffs doesn't mean he won't have value on the open market. Teams like Boston and Phoenix are dying to overpay for a star. GMs will talk themselves into the idea that his decreased production in Cleveland was the result of a bad fit. Which is possible, though not entirely likely.



That's the dream. Too bad it makes no sense from Chicago's vantage point.



The Cavs won't take a pick. I'm not sure Jamal Murray/Buddy Hield for Kevin Love is a good trade, anyway. It'd have to be Crowder and Bradley.
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Somebody's talking themselves into something....that's for sure.
 
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http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/j...on-in-his-place-with-all-this-mans-game-talk/
Jefferson puts Klay Thompson in his place with all this 'man's game' talk

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James blocked it out, ignored it, but make no mistake: Others didn't. Privately, Cavaliers officials wondered how Thompson can complain about a Timofey Mozgov screen one day and declare the NBA to be a "man's league" on another, how the toughness, mental or otherwise, of a star player who has yet to see the benefit of many whistles can be so openly questioned.

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http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/j...on-in-his-place-with-all-this-mans-game-talk/
 
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jwinslow said:
You can make an argument that nothing would have been better (assuming they still dumped Bennett).
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that argument wouldn't get very far. and people are grossly exaggerating how bad he's been in the playoffs. he's still averaging 15 and 9, shooting 42% from 3 and 86% from the line. aside from two total stinker games, he's been good in the playoffs. but knee jerk reactions is the trend here I see.
 
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tsteele316 said:
that argument wouldn't get very far. and people are grossly exaggerating how bad he's been in the playoffs. he's still averaging 15 and 9, shooting 42% from 3 and 86% from the line. aside from two total stinker games, he's been good in the playoffs. but knee jerk reactions is the trend here I see.
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I don't think you understand what @jwinslow is saying. He is saying that the Cavs likely couldn't have gotten anything better in regards to trade offers for Wiggins and that Love was the best the Cavs could have done. His statement doesn't appear to be a knock on Love.
 
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tsteele316 said:
that argument wouldn't get very far. and people are grossly exaggerating how bad he's been in the playoffs. he's still averaging 15 and 9, shooting 42% from 3 and 86% from the line. aside from two total stinker games, he's been good in the playoffs. but knee jerk reactions is the trend here I see.
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Looking at the playoffs as a whole doesn't tell the whole story--aside from the first two rounds in which his performance was about the same (against putrid teams that the Cavs swept), his performance has been steadily declining, to the point where he's barely been visible against Golden State:

Round 1: 18.8 ppg, 12.0 rpg, 39% from 3, 41% from the field
Round 2: 19.0 ppg, 13.0 rpg, 47.5% from 3, 32% from the field
Round 3: 15.2 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 44.8% from 3, 45% from the field
Round 4: 8.7 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 28.6% from 3, 37% from the field
 
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