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Cleveland Cavs (2016 NBA Champions)

injury prone player
The Cavs played 102 total games last season and Love played in 79 of them (77%). That included only missing 7 regular season games (75 out of 82). Guy couldn't really control Olynyk literally ripping his arm out of its socket. This season, he's missed one game (52 out of 53). You have to go back to 2012-13 to find a season where he missed a significant amount of games.
 
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The Cavs played 102 total games last season and Love played in 79 of them (77%). That included only missing 7 regular season games (75 out of 82). Guy couldn't really control Olynyk literally ripping his arm out of its socket. This season, he's missed one game (52 out of 53). You have to go back to 2012-13 to find a season where he missed a significant amount of games.

There's a big difference between "injury prone" like Love where it's a fluke (hand) or malicious (shoulder) injury. I'd say Kyrie has been more injury prone since he's seemed to miss time pretty much every year for some sort of injury. On the bright side with him they are all different so it's hopefully just a mix between being a little fragile and unlucky. You have the true injury prone guys like Rose that had one major injury and continue to have problems with that for the rest of their career. He looked great last night completely rested, but he'll probably look like garbage tonight when they get rolled by the Raptors. Give the Cavs credit that they've done the best they can to be deep enough to deal with injuries if they do pop up. They have Mo as Kyrie insurance and Frye/RJ as Love insurance.

I just hope that Frye is the open 3 shooter that they say he is and not a big let down like every other guy the Cavs have brought in over the years. I think JR is the only guy that didn't start his career with the Cavs that has shot the 3 as billed when they got him. I'm looking forward to the Kyrie, JR, Lebron, Love, Frye and Kyrie, Delly, JR, Lebron, Frye lineups to see how the lane opens up.

The thing I never really understand with basketball, if you have depth why not rotate more often to allow guys to give 100% effort on both ends for shorter periods. Why not spend the first 3 quarters with something like Kyrie, JR, Lebron, Frye, and TT for the first 5 minutes then sub in Delly, Shump, RJ, Love, and Timo for the next 4-5. In the Cavs case they would probably need to have Love with the starters for the first rotation of each half as a stretch 4 and then the focal point of the offense with the second unit. Go balls to the wall on both ends because you know you'll get to rest in a few minutes to catch your breath. When the 4th quarter rolls around go with your best 5 if the game is tight.
 
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Thanks. You're right. Trading a future perennial all-star for an injury prone player who may never again reach all-star status is pure genius. I like you though - stupid people amuse me.
This isn't exactly the best way to stick around. :wink:

So... Yeah.. The old future perennial all star for the chump. That's exactly what happened... I just don't know why I can't see it. Oh right, that guy also plays the same position as lebron James. He would be a pretty nice 6th man though. Yes indeed.
 
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There's a big difference between "injury prone" like Love where it's a fluke (hand) or malicious (shoulder) injury. I'd say Kyrie has been more injury prone since he's seemed to miss time pretty much every year for some sort of injury. On the bright side with him they are all different so it's hopefully just a mix between being a little fragile and unlucky. You have the true injury prone guys like Rose that had one major injury and continue to have problems with that for the rest of their career. He looked great last night completely rested, but he'll probably look like garbage tonight when they get rolled by the Raptors. Give the Cavs credit that they've done the best they can to be deep enough to deal with injuries if they do pop up. They have Mo as Kyrie insurance and Frye/RJ as Love insurance.

I just hope that Frye is the open 3 shooter that they say he is and not a big let down like every other guy the Cavs have brought in over the years. I think JR is the only guy that didn't start his career with the Cavs that has shot the 3 as billed when they got him. I'm looking forward to the Kyrie, JR, Lebron, Love, Frye and Kyrie, Delly, JR, Lebron, Frye lineups to see how the lane opens up.

The thing I never really understand with basketball, if you have depth why not rotate more often to allow guys to give 100% effort on both ends for shorter periods. Why not spend the first 3 quarters with something like Kyrie, JR, Lebron, Frye, and TT for the first 5 minutes then sub in Delly, Shump, RJ, Love, and Timo for the next 4-5. In the Cavs case they would probably need to have Love with the starters for the first rotation of each half as a stretch 4 and then the focal point of the offense with the second unit. Go balls to the wall on both ends because you know you'll get to rest in a few minutes to catch your breath. When the 4th quarter rolls around go with your best 5 if the game is tight.
Exactly. I say the same thing about the Buckeyes. Why not blister the other team with high energy and force mistakes when you have the talent to do so. They wait until the guys on the floor are completely gassed then pull them out and have a chemistry problem. Especially in the first half I'd like to see something near a 5 for 5 rotation to set tone and see who the hot hands are. You can always go back to your bread and butter guys but you might as well put a lot of stress on the other team before you have to do it. Pretty much how GS is killing people now along with ridiculous shooting.
 
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I'll miss Andy.


Any chance he gets cut and we can sign him back or would that kill us with the cap and tax situation?
Can't sign with the Cavs for a year.

Assuming he gets cut, what about in the Front Office somewhere?
Not that it'd happen... but hypotheticals... pipe dreams... etc....
This isn't exactly the best way to stick around. :wink:

So... Yeah.. The old future perennial all star for the chump. That's exactly what happened... I just don't know why I can't see it. Oh right, that guy also plays the same position as lebron James. He would be a pretty nice 6th man though. Yes indeed.

Besides, put Love back on the TWolves and he's a perennial participation award All Star again.
We traded a future guy at a position we didn't need for a current guy at a position we do need. It's a gamble, but a rational one if this team wants championship(s) in Lebron's prime.
 
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Thanks. You're right. Trading a future perennial all-star for an injury prone player who may never again reach all-star status is pure genius. I like you though - stupid people amuse me.
In sports, there are so many facts, and metrics, and data that you really don't have much room left for opinions. And maintaining an opinion in defiance of the facts makes one look (to use your term) stupid.

For a moment, let's put aside the facts of the Love vs Wiggins argument (at least, I'll put aside my facts and you'll put aside your unsupported opinions) and examine the fallacy in your initial premise:

Lebron James was not coming to Cleveland to play with Andrew Wiggins. It was a precondition of Lebron signing with Cleveland that the Cavs would trade Wiggins to Minnesota for Kevin Love. So your little fantasy - "all of the picks the Cavs have had from the 2011 draft on, and then we have Lebron coming back" - was never going to happen. NEVER. So, get over that.

With that being said, let's look at the Wiggins for Love trade trade in a slightly different light. If for no other reason (and there are plenty of other reasons), the Wiggins for Love trade was a GREAT trade because it induced Lebron to come back to Cleveland. In other words, the trade was not really Wiggins for Love, but rather Wiggins for Love AND Lebron. You still want Wiggins?
 
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In sports, there are so many facts, and metrics, and data that you really don't have much room left for opinions. And maintaining an opinion in defiance of the facts makes one look (to use your term) stupid.

For a moment, let's put aside the facts of the Love vs Wiggins argument (at least, I'll put aside my facts and you'll put aside your unsupported opinions) and examine the fallacy in your initial premise:

Lebron James was not coming to Cleveland to play with Andrew Wiggins. It was a precondition of Lebron signing with Cleveland that the Cavs would trade Wiggins to Minnesota for Kevin Love. So your little fantasy - "all of the picks the Cavs have had from the 2011 draft on, and then we have Lebron coming back" - was never going to happen. NEVER. So, get over that.

With that being said, let's look at the Wiggins for Love trade trade in a slightly different light. If for no other reason (and there are plenty of other reasons), the Wiggins for Love trade was a GREAT trade because it induced Lebron to come back to Cleveland. In other words, the trade was not really Wiggins for Love, but rather Wiggins for Love AND Lebron. You still want Wiggins?

This is the point that none of the Wiggins truthers can answer. The only way Lebron was coming back without someone like Love would be if the Cavs had hit on every single draft pick since he left i.e. Kyrie, Klay Thompson or Kawhi Leonoard, Drummond, Draymond Green, I don't even know once they get to 2013 since they probably aren't drafting in the same place and the 2013 draft was all-time shitty. Say they took Giannis Antetokounmpo with a lower pick and Rudy Gobert in 2013 and there is no way they get the top pick in 2014 so no shot at Wiggins, I'll say they are in position to get Zach LaVine. Lebron walks back into the Cleveland version of the Warriors and they win 6 titles in a row. Given the 1.5 players that Grant hit on in the draft Griffin did the best he could with the shit sandwich he was handed. This makes me pissed I can't go back in time 6 years.
 
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This isn't exactly the best way to stick around. :wink:

So... Yeah.. The old future perennial all star for the chump. That's exactly what happened... I just don't know why I can't see it. Oh right, that guy also plays the same position as lebron James. He would be a pretty nice 6th man though. Yes indeed.

Maybe you should actually pay attention to the what's being talked about before spouting off. It's whether there were better options than trading for Kevin Love. Wiggins may not have been a great fit for the Cavs (which I think is hard to compare from his role at Minny), but there were other trade options.

BTW, Wiggins plays SG, not SF.
 
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Lebron James was not coming to Cleveland to play with Andrew Wiggins. It was a precondition of Lebron signing with Cleveland that the Cavs would trade Wiggins to Minnesota for Kevin Love. So your little fantasy - "all of the picks the Cavs have had from the 2011 draft on, and then we have Lebron coming back" - was never going to happen. NEVER. So, get over that.

As mentioned before, I'm not convinced Wiggins was a fit for Lebron Cavs team. I'm not nearly as hard core against it as you are obviously. My point, as mentioned before, is that Kevin Love isn't a great fit EITHER. He added some necessary outside shooting, but not much else for team who already has strong rebounding.

Do you still think Kevin Love is a great fit?
 
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The Cavs played 102 total games last season and Love played in 79 of them (77%). That included only missing 7 regular season games (75 out of 82). Guy couldn't really control Olynyk literally ripping his arm out of its socket. This season, he's missed one game (52 out of 53). You have to go back to 2012-13 to find a season where he missed a significant amount of games.

Love averaged about 60 games per year during his time in Minnesota, and struggled with back problems last year. I don't consider the Olynyk incident in calling him injury prone.
 
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Maybe you should actually pay attention to the what's being talked about before spouting off. It's whether there were better options than trading for Kevin Love. Wiggins may not have been a great fit for the Cavs (which I think is hard to compare from his role at Minny), but there were other trade options.

BTW, Wiggins plays SG, not SF.

That's one shitty SG....
 
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Maybe you should actually pay attention to the what's being talked about before spouting off. It's whether there were better options than trading for Kevin Love. Wiggins may not have been a great fit for the Cavs (which I think is hard to compare from his role at Minny), but there were other trade options.

BTW, Wiggins plays SG, not SF.

:slappy:
 
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