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Cleveland Cavs (2016 NBA Champions)

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exhawg said:
The only way the Cavs could screw this up would be to not give him whatever contract he wants this summer. TT on the other hand needs to get locked down with a long term deal this summer. Even a max deal now won't be expensive next year when the cap goes up. Shump also can be overpaid to sign a long deal now. Biggest key for the Cavs is to not let any key contributors walk for nothing and fill in the holes with role players (i.e. Norris Cole).
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Can that even be done? That being essentially having 4 max contract players and overpaying Shump? I know max contracts are different based on years in the league, so Kyrie and TT have smaller max contracts, but still doesn't seem like it would be able to work. Maybe though.
 
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UpNorth_Buckeye said:
Can that even be done? That being essentially having 4 max contract players and overpaying Shump? I know max contracts are different based on years in the league, so Kyrie and TT have smaller max contracts, but still doesn't seem like it would be able to work. Maybe though.
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I'm pretty sure it can. If anything they might have trouble with the luxury tax apron (no sign-and-trades or MLE's), but locking TT up for 14-15 mil now will be cheep after next year. It sounds like the Cavs can go into the tax apron by resigning their own players and bringing in minimum contract players without getting hard capped. It's signing Lebron and Love to max deals after next season that will really break the bank. Lebron will never take a dime under the max that he can get so Gilbert is going to end up playing double or more of the salary cap when the tax is taken into account.

Here's some reading:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/CLE.html
http://www.waitingfornextyear.com/2015/01/explainer-cleveland-cavaliers-salary-kyrie-irving/
http://www.blazersedge.com/2015/4/1...ap-projections-2015-2016-2017-2018-luxury-tax
http://midlevelexceptional.com/2014/07/02/nbas-hard-cap-introduction/
 
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UpNorth_Buckeye said:
Can that even be done? That being essentially having 4 max contract players and overpaying Shump? I know max contracts are different based on years in the league, so Kyrie and TT have smaller max contracts, but still doesn't seem like it would be able to work. Maybe though.
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I do not know if this article answers your question but I think it does especially the latter part.
Thompson is a restricted free agent and in line for a huge deal. Iman Shumpert also is a restricted free agent and will receive a big raise.

KEY POINT: A team can go over the salary cap to keep its own players. That's why Love looms large in the Cavs plans. Same with Shumpert and Thompson.
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http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf/2015/06/cleveland_cavaliers_and_kevin.html
 
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exhawg said:
I'm pretty sure it can. If anything they might have trouble with the luxury tax apron (no sign-and-trades or MLE's), but locking TT up for 14-15 mil now will be cheep after next year. It sounds like the Cavs can go into the tax apron by resigning their own players and bringing in minimum contract players without getting hard capped. It's signing Lebron and Love to max deals after next season that will really break the bank. Lebron will never take a dime under the max that he can get so Gilbert is going to end up playing double or more of the salary cap when the tax is taken into account.
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TT turned down 13 million for 4 years before this season so I think it is going to cost more than 14-15 to keep him unless Lebron's agent talks to Lebron:wink:
 
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exhawg said:
Yet hackjobs like this won't stop. http://la.suntimes.com/los-angeles-lakers/7/88/270352/espn-kevin-love-lakers-free-agency

I know we've been burned in the past, but Love has never done anything to make me think that his word isn't good. The only way the Cavs could screw this up would be to not give him whatever contract he wants this summer. TT on the other hand needs to get locked down with a long term deal this summer. Even a max deal now won't be expensive next year when the cap goes up. Shump also can be overpaid to sign a long deal now. Biggest key for the Cavs is to not let any key contributors walk for nothing and fill in the holes with role players (i.e. Norris Cole).

If you had told anyone before the season that Lebron would take a lineup of himself with Delly, Smith, Shump, and TT through Eastern conference finals they would have told you that you're crazy. Even if he isn't scoring with a high efficiency and his shot isn't falling he is that good that he can raise the level of play around him. If Kyrie has recovered enough to at least try to defend Curry the Cavs have pretty good matchups down the rest of the lineup. Curry is unstoppable and will get his, but the Cavs biggest chance is to keep everyone else quiet and try to make Curry score 50 a game. If Kyrie still can't move they need to stagger his minutes with Curry to get him out there against the Warriors bench as much as possible. If Lebron can find his shot he is the only player in the league that could win the Finals on his own so hopefully that rested ready Lebron shows up on Thursday to shock the Warriors.

Blatt's motto for the Finals:


Can't wait till Thursday.
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Additionally, fuck Dan Fouts.
 
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exhawg said:
Kyrie's max deal for next year is 14.7 mil. I don't think TT can be more than that.
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actually it is... i looked it up a couple weeks ago... their max would have been the same if they both signed the extension last year
but now the max is higher .. like $17M and that's BEFORE the new cap comes out.. so it can go even higher
 
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NJ-Buckeye said:
actually it is... i looked it up a couple weeks ago... their max would have been the same if they both signed the extension last year
but now the max is higher .. like $17M and that's BEFORE the new cap comes out.. so it can go even higher
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Not saying you're wrong, but Kyrie's max deal pay for next year is for less than 25% of this years cap so I don't think you can take 25% of next years cap and say that is what TT will get. If so any player would be dumb to not play out the whole contract if there were leaving 2-3 mil on the table every year. I haven't found an article that states what a TT max deal would cost this summer. TT also has more value to the Cavs than other teams so he isn't going to be worth a max deal for any other team. The Cavs could let him sign a deal elsewhere and match it, which I'm guessing would be less than the max.
 
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exhawg said:
How much money will the casino make over the next few weeks? He might not care. I would love to see the Horseshoe's Oct-May revenue for the past 2 years. Might be a big key to how much Gilbert is willing to pay.
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I guess that is what it is going to boil down to because I do not understand how James and Love can get 25%. That will leave 50% for the rest of the team and quite a bit of that is going to be eaten up by TT, Irving, and Shumpert. I am certainly no cap expert by any stretch of the imagination but the numbers are very confusing to me and I can see how some guys can get very unhappy pretty fast.
 
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LitlBuck said:
I guess that is what it is going to boil down to because I do not understand how James and Love can get 25%. That will leave 50% for the rest of the team and quite a bit of that is going to be eaten up by TT, Irving, and Shumpert. I am certainly no cap expert by any stretch of the imagination but the numbers are very confusing to me and I can see how some guys can get very unhappy pretty fast.
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It's better than that:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_salary_cap

The maximum amount of money a player can sign for is based on the number of years that player has played and the total of the salary cap. The maximum salary of a player with 6 or fewer years of experience is either $9,000,000 or 25% of the total salary cap (2013–14: $14,670,000), whichever is greater. For a player with 7–9 years of experience, the maximum is $11,000,000 or 30% of the cap (2013–14: $17,603,700), and for a player with 10+ years of experience, the maximum is $14,000,000 or 35% of the cap (2013–2014: $20,537,650).[10] There is an exception to this rule: a player is able to sign a contract for 105% of his previous contract, even if the new contract is higher than the league limit.[11]
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25% for Kyrie
25% for TT
30% (assuming) for Love
35% for Lebron

Luckily Kyrie and TT would be set with max deals with the lower cap, but that's why Lebron and Love are holding out until the cap goes up. Once you sign the contract I don't believe it is based on a % of the cap in the future, just a certain amount raise every year. That's why it's so critical to build through the draft so you always have good young cheap role-players.
 
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I expect that Thompson will get the max, and that's fine as long as he continues to play like he's been playing during the playoffs. I don't want him to expend this level of energy during the regular season, of course, but I do expect above average production on the glass and some quality minutes on the defensive end (which is perhaps his biggest improvement this year). Before this season he wasn't worth 10 million a year, and I have trouble believing he won't regress when it isn't a contract year. We'll see, though.
 
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