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y0yoyoin
That is a serious injury for Willis McGahee
i would not draft buford in the top 30...he is way to inconsistent as a shooter...and thats all he is...a shooter...he has a terrible time driving to the basket to score which is evident by how many charges he gets around the rim...he would be tho, a great 2nd round pick...and we all love ET but lets face it, the 76'rs are not going to trade him...they have no reason too...Collins is finally putting him in the starting lineup and once the Igudola run is over with, they will need ET...would i rather have ET over josh smith? no, but i can see the reason for getting ET since we are in the market for young players with upside...and as i said earlier, there are probably 50 other players i would trade for before ET...i may eat my words but i will stand to that statement until ET puts up games like he did Wednesday night on a more consistent basis
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ArmyVet83
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tsteele316;2122131; said:
Going off the Walterfootball draft board. This is a "somewhat realistic" scenario ref: Drummond. We know Davis, at this point, will be the 1st pick overall (if he chooses to come out), Barnes will be picked at 2,3, or 4. Kidd-Gilchrist is bouncing all over the place at 2 - 6. So it is probable.
How is the Andy trade bad for Cleveland? I like Andy and what he brings to the team but I question his durability. Not his energy; not what he brings to the team WHEN he is healthy. Cleveland needs to move forward. ET fills a need at SF (can play P and SG as well). Plus a late 1st rounder. Andy isn't getting younger by basketball standards (turns 30 in September).
IMO, ET fills a position of need at the SF and based on my draft(if things happen that way) brings depth and flexability at the SG/SF position.
A line-up of:
KI @ Point
Lamb/Young @ SG
Turner @ SF
TT @ PF
Dre @ C
Nice young linup with some glue coming off the bench
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y0yoyoin
That is a serious injury for Willis McGahee
ArmyVet83;2122176; said:
i think steele is getting at if its ET for Verajao then the 1st round pick has to be a lottery pick...Verajao is basically an all star who gets overlooked because he plays for cleveland...if he played in LA, NY or Boston he would be in the media a hell of alot more...so you should be getting a better player then just ET and a 22d pick for Verajao
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ArmyVet83
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y0yoyoin;2122172; said:
Agree about Buford. I would be surprised if the 76ers would make that move as well (Ref: ET). Like I said it was something I came acoss on some other sites. I think the 76ers would part with Elton Brand before Turner. Collins does have a history of not meshing with certain players. IMO, I don't think he utilizes ET's skill sets as well as he could. I think Cleveland can get ET and I think he can fit into the future of this team. Also, there is no reason, ET can't be a consistent 17ppg, 8 rpg and 6 apg player and a decent defender at the SG/F position
Josh Smith is a talent BUT IMO, he does not fit into what Cleveland is trying to build. The guy wants to play with a contender. Plus, he disappears during games. Cleveland does not need that right now. They need guys that by into a team concept and understand where Cleveland is heading.
I'm hoping Cleveland makes some moves to improve the team down the road before the trade deadline (additional draft picks and a solid young SG/SF or Center before the draft).
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stowfan
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I took a look at a mock draft board that is regularly updated. They have Sullinger falling all the way to 10th. They also have the Cavs taking Kidd-Gilchrist ahead of Sullinger?
http://nbadraft.net/2012mock_draft
http://nbadraft.net/2012mock_draft
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y0yoyoin
That is a serious injury for Willis McGahee
stowfan;2122221; said:
makes sense...we need a true center or a SG...i honestly dont know how sullinger will do in the NBA...he is a big PF like Al Jefferson except he is not as good physically around the basket...he gets blocked way to much in college as it is...he would fit well on a handful of teams in the lottery before the cavs just based on needs alone
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itownbuckeye
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stowfan;2122221; said:
Don't think Kidd-Gilchrist will fall that far but if he did it would be a no-brainer to take him over Sullinger.
Draft Express is a more highly thought of site. They currently have the Cavs picking 9th and taking Tyler Zeller. Personally I would take Bradley Beal (whom they have going 10th) in this scenario.
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2012/
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tsteele316
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ArmyVet83;2122176; said:
really, it comes down to you vastly overrating Turner and underrating Varejao. that's just not that good of a trade for cleveland. plus, good centers are a premium in the nba. if drummond comes out, he's going before #5. and, if you're talking about a player of drummond's caliber on the board at #5, no team is going to trade back for cleveland to take him.
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ArmyVet83
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tsteele316;2122235; said:
Fair enough. We agree to disagree. It's in my opinion, if properly used, Evan Turner can provide more to a team that Anderson Varejao. As their stats stand right now, this is how it looks:
Andy: Games: 25; Mins: 31.4; FG: .514; FT: .672; Rebs: 11.5; A: 1.7; B:0.7; Steals: 1.4; PPG: 10.8
Evan: Games: 39; Mins: 24.0; FG: .418; FT: .652; Rebs: 5.7; A: 2.7; B:0.2; Steals: 0.5; PPG: 8.1
Stats wise, I give the edge to Andy and I give the edge to Andy on what he brings to the team. BUT over the past two years Andy has been injured more often than not. IMO, if Evan was traded to Cleveland for Andy (BIG IF). Evan could be a better asset long term to Cleveland's long term plans. Kind of how they drafted TT this past year.
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y0yoyoin
That is a serious injury for Willis McGahee
ArmyVet83;2122242; said:
sorry but i completely disagree with most of this...only thing i could agree with is ET being a better asset for clevelands long term plans, and thats only because of their age difference...first off, besides ET being from ohio state, why the fuck else would u want him on the cavs? honest question...turner has been very very inconsistent and was, and maybe still is, a borderline bust based on who u talk to for being the 2nd pick...he has had awesome games here and there but he cannot string those together...i love ET and i hope he does put it together consistently because i have him on 2 of my fantasy teams :)...but there are plenty of other options out there...off the top of my head for the cavs i would rather have at the SG/SF position Paul George, James Harden, Nick Batum, Marshon Brooks, and maybe Monta Ellis or Jordan Crawford if were talking about pure SG's, if thats where the cavs would have ET play...one thing i will give ET is that he gives you stats in all categories and is not heavy in one particular area which is what i like about his game
but just by looking at your stats, its not even a question who is the better player...and we are comparing a SG/SF with a center...2 stats that stand out are the assists and steals along with FT%...ET should be dominating those categories for his position and size...verejao scores more points and rebounds way more...only thing ET has is 3pt attempts and %, but again we are talking about a SG/SF and a C...so check this out
Evan: Games: 39; Mins: 24.0; FG: .418; FT: .652; Rebs: 5.7; A: 2.7; B:0.2; Steals: 0.5; PPG: 8.1
Mystery Player: Games: 37; Mins: 27.5; FG: .438; FT: .765; Rebs: 4.2; Asst: 1.6; Blk: 0.2; Steals: 1.4; PPG: 10.2
so those stats are pretty similar to me...and based on the FG%, FT%, steals and PPG, which is what i would look at for the SG/SF, i would almost take the mystery player over turner...so who is the mystery player??
Alonzo Gee
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Brutus1
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Some of this sounds like the garbage spewed on Realcavsfans.com.
If the Cavs had a shot at MKG, then I'd love that. Also, no way I'm taking Zeller ahead of Beal for the Cavs.
I'd be happy with a first for Sessions. Until then, i'm taking all trade
Rumors with a HUGE grain of salt.
If the Cavs had a shot at MKG, then I'd love that. Also, no way I'm taking Zeller ahead of Beal for the Cavs.
I'd be happy with a first for Sessions. Until then, i'm taking all trade
Rumors with a HUGE grain of salt.
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itownbuckeye
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exhawg;2122443; said:
Another win tonight, now only 1 game out of the 8th spot. Not sure how much it'll help (the lottery cause) but Jamison and Sessions have to go.
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