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Cleveland Browns (Finally drafting Buckeyes)

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AKAK said:
Honestly, and I hate to wade too deeply into these things, but, the Browns cap situation isn't all that bad. If he's out next year for the year and I would make sure that he is... doesn't really matter I guess, and then they release him post June 1 in 2026, they mostly are paying him on time. Which is, on one hand bad because he makes 46 million, but they have that in rollover this year... at any rate if they can get a guy on a transitional contract and/or draft someone... they're going to go ahead and try to compete with that I think. I don't see any scenario where they burn it to the ground while they're trying to get the stadium situation squared away.
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Depends what his insurance situation is. If they get half his salary back this year and a big chunk of next years salary for the injury they can eat the salary the last year, but they'll probably draft Sanders and hire his dad to start the process over again.
 
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AKAK said:
Honestly, and I hate to wade too deeply into these things, but, the Browns cap situation isn't all that bad. If he's out next year for the year and I would make sure that he is... doesn't really matter I guess, and then they release him post June 1 in 2026, they mostly are paying him on time. Which is, on one hand bad because he makes 46 million, but they have that in rollover this year... at any rate if they can get a guy on a transitional contract and/or draft someone... they're going to go ahead and try to compete with that I think. I don't see any scenario where they burn it to the ground while they're trying to get the stadium situation squared away.
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Deshaun Watson Contract Details, Salary Cap Charges, Bonus Money, and Contract History | Over The Cap

Deshaun Watson contract and salary cap details, including signing bonus, guaranteed salary, dead money, roster bonuses, and contract history
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According to this, and I believe I've seen those numbers elsewhere, the cap hit is pretty significant. $73 mil for both 2025 and 2026. Since his salary is fully guaranteed, I believe that his is whether they cut him or not.
 
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Trevi said:

Deshaun Watson Contract Details, Salary Cap Charges, Bonus Money, and Contract History | Over The Cap

Deshaun Watson contract and salary cap details, including signing bonus, guaranteed salary, dead money, roster bonuses, and contract history
overthecap.com

According to this, and I believe I've seen those numbers elsewhere, the cap hit is pretty significant. $73 mil for both 2025 and 2026. Since his salary is fully guaranteed, I believe that his is whether they cut him or not.
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Thank you, That's what I get for reading "guaranteed salary" -- at any rate, I still don't think they're going to tank... Until after coach Prime.
 
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AKAK said:
Honestly, and I hate to wade too deeply into these things, but, the Browns cap situation isn't all that bad. If he's out next year for the year and I would make sure that he is... doesn't really matter I guess, and then they release him post June 1 in 2026, they mostly are paying him on time. Which is, on one hand bad because he makes 46 million, but they have that in rollover this year... at any rate if they can get a guy on a transitional contract and/or draft someone... they're going to go ahead and try to compete with that I think. I don't see any scenario where they burn it to the ground while they're trying to get the stadium situation squared away.
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That's where my head is at. They have a solid base right now. No reason to go full rebuild when a renovation can easily get them right back to competing. Playoffs and super bowl are all the same goal in the NFL. Get there and anyone can feasibly make a run.
 
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AKAK said:
Honestly, and I hate to wade too deeply into these things, but, the Browns cap situation isn't all that bad. If he's out next year for the year and I would make sure that he is... doesn't really matter I guess, and then they release him post June 1 in 2026, they mostly are paying him on time. Which is, on one hand bad because he makes 46 million, but they have that in rollover this year... at any rate if they can get a guy on a transitional contract and/or draft someone... they're going to go ahead and try to compete with that I think. I don't see any scenario where they burn it to the ground while they're trying to get the stadium situation squared away.
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I mean ok, but if the Browns aren't going to do it because they are in the "prime" of certain players careers, this was the year to do something. Drafting a rookie hasn't been working out for teams if the rookie is not named CJ Stroud recently and, should it come to that, I don't really think there's going to be a guy like a Kirk Cousins looking for a bridge deal this year either. I could be wrong, but next year looks bleak at the QB position right at the moment.

I'm not convinced they are going to do anything at this point. I think we're set for another 5+ years of epic failure and that means wasting the primes of those guys that were listed. It's a damn shame.
 
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Mike80 said:
I mean ok, but if the Browns aren't going to do it because they are in the "prime" of certain players careers, this was the year to do something. Drafting a rookie hasn't been working out for teams if the rookie is not named CJ Stroud recently and, should it come to that, I don't really think there's going to be a guy like a Kirk Cousins looking for a bridge deal this year either. I could be wrong, but next year looks bleak at the QB position right at the moment.

I'm not convinced they are going to do anything at this point. I think we're set for another 5+ years of epic failure and that means wasting the primes of those guys that were listed. It's a damn shame.
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Darnold? The Vikings have that one kid who got hurt. Might be a couple more as teams work through the same problems.

I'm not convinced of anything either. I don't know what the right answer is around "primes".

I just think given the stadium "situation" I don't think they will tank. And to be very honest, no one should be tanking ever. Just my opinion
 
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Mike80 said:
No, but the Clowns are dumb enough to offer it to him and draft his kid despite almost certainly being on his Don't Draft Me list...
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As we learned with Watson, if you don't get the answer you want, add in more guaranteed money until the answer is yes. Just wait until they offer Deion 200M guaranteed for 10 years. I wish I was joking.
 
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NFBuck said:
Deion is an idiot in many, many ways; but he's not dumb enough to take this dead end job.
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Arrogance can more than make up for idiocy.

Mike80 said:
No, but the Clowns are dumb enough to offer it to him and draft his kid despite almost certainly being on his Don't Draft Me list...
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Sanders on the "Don't draft" list has more to do with his Dad than anything about his football talent.

AKAK said:
Darnold?
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As Darnold has shown, you can get effective play from an average QB provided you give him elite weapons and the best pass-blocking Oline on Earth.
 
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