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Buckeneye
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Well, Lesmerises isand for the same reasons.
Had to look up who that was. Meh. A lot of people like to result to their first instinct.
Don't get me wrong though, if Woods walks Delpit out as the high safety in ANY look, single high, 2 high, split field (barring some type of zone replacement) then I might be on board with the mob as well.
Because one game was enough tape for Jets coaches to use as an anchor point for attacking defensive personnel weaknesses. 2 games is throwing chum to the sharks.
And those attacks won't stop until you either shut them down or address your personnel issues.
we'll see
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GreenwoodBuck
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I’m expecting the D to play exceptional on Thursday night for Joe Woods to retain his job. Only problem is, we’re talking about the Browns. The offense will probably be inept and Pukesburgh will win 9-3.
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Had to look up who that was. Meh. A lot of people like to result to their first instinct.
Don't get me wrong though, if Woods walks Delpit out as the high safety in ANY look, single high, 2 high, split field (barring some type of zone replacement) then I might be on board with the mob as well.
Because one game was enough tape for Jets coaches to use as an anchor point for attacking defensive personnel weaknesses. 2 games is throwing chum to the sharks.
And those attacks won't stop until you either shut them down or address your personnel issues.
Bucklion had just linked the article there right before our exchange is all. Appreciate your insights here.
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Buckeneye
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Here's what I've got.
- Plays like quarters vs a 3x1.
- Everyone to the strong side is playing quarters rules. That means #1 all the way for the CB, strong hook backer walls the seam vs #2 vertical, and Johnny J is reading between the #2 to the #1 WR, which he picks up the #2 vertical (Garrett Wilson)
- The weakside is a different story. Delpit moves from just inside the numbers, and plants at 15 yards on the boundary hash, almost like he's a deep weekside hook? Looks like he's helping to wall off the post. The weakside backer expands Curl/flat with the #2 like any quarters you'd be familiar with (hello Pat Narduzzi) and Denzel is playing high and outside like he's in a cover 4 flavor. So high that he's 1x8 off at the snap.
- This is where it gets weird. At the snap, Denzel is barely matching vertical and he's expanding outside the numbers like he's protecting the sideline throws. At the 11 yard mark, he's watching the #1 get even and walk by him like he's expecting help from Delpit to be over top and inside.
Honestly, that looks like 2 read to the weakside? Because 2 read looks like a "robber" of sorts from alignment, and if the #2 goes flat (he does in this case) then the "robber" matches the #1 protecting post high and inside. Only Delpit never does that, and Denzel doesn't continue to build his depth in cover 4 either. But 2 read is a very large adaptation off shoot from match quarters, but I really don't see it called much (if at all) Keep in mind, I'm saying 2 read as in how TCU ran it with Coach Patterson. 2 trap would have meant that once the #2 goes flat, Denzel would have fallen off and jumped it.... but he doesn't. (something Woods LOVES) Some coaches call it "palms". Those are also calls built off the back over quarters, but they play with different rules vs 2 receiver sets than what I see here.
Just spit balling, but I think if that #2 goes flat, Denzel was expecting to have a half field safety to his side and Delpit botched it. No reason for a pro bowler who doesn't have any history of busting coverages to turn over a WR to absolutely nobody. And given the recent history of busts to Delpit's side... can't help but feel this lands firmly in the territory of that trend.
edit: endzone view has Denzel looking back at Grant like he fucked up the call. Take that for what it's worth.
double edit: This bust might help explain what happened with Robbie Anderson last week. I went back and watched the All-22 on that. Newsome went to jump the #2 out at like 12 yards while he watched the #1 go by him and turned him over to Johnny J.
I'm starting to think these boys just don't have their vertical landmarks correct when they play these sorts of adaptations off quarters. Because jumped the #2 as a CB means you're playing palms. Admittedly, at that depth (10+ yards) is almost unheard of in match coverage. Because at some point DB "declare" their man with depth. 8 is usually the landmark vertical line, anything else and you're giving elite athletes that are too fast space and time to do whatever they want.
Plays to my earlier post - 2 young corners and a 1st year starting safety in his expanded role that he isn't ready for. These match depths need to be addressed immediately, because that appears to be half the problem.
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BuckBackHome
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This town does not deserve Nick Chubb. Guy is taking the blame for the loss after scoring three touchdowns.
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ScriptOhio
Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.
Cleveland Browns RB Nick Chubb admits scoring late touchdown vs. New York Jets 'cost us the game'
Cleveland Browns running back Nick Chubb took the blame for Sunday's loss to the New York Jets, saying he should've gone down instead of scoring in the final two minutes.
Chubb's 12-yard touchdown run with 1:55 to play put the Browns up 30-17. Rookie kicker Cade York then missed the extra point. But with the Jets already out of timeouts, the Browns could have kneeled and ended the game there had Chubb not scored.
Instead, the Jets became the first team in 21 years to overcome a 13-point deficit in the last two minutes of game.
Entire article: https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...scoring-late-td-vs-new-york-jets-cost-us-game
Hey, a running back's first instinct is to get as much yardage as possible and score if he can. Unless the coach specifically told Chubb what to do in that circumstance; I don't blame Chubb. If the coach didn't tell him; I blame the coach.
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Just idiotic. You're talking about a fanbase that has continued to support a shit product for over two decades. They've had almost nothing to be happy about. Garbage team after garbage team. If they boo you after shitting the bed against a joke of a franchise and you don't like it...fuck off. You get paid millions of dollars to play a game, supposedly to entertain them and you do that. Don't want to get booed? Fucking do better, jackass.
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ScriptOhio
Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.
Fan arrested for allegedly throwing bottle at Cleveland Browns owner Jimmy Haslam on Sunday
A fan was arrested for allegedly throwing a water bottle at Cleveland Browns owner Jimmy Haslam in the final moments of Sunday's loss to the New York Jets.
Jeffrey Miller, 51, was arrested Sunday on complaints of assault, failure to comply with a lawful order and disorderly conduct, according to the police report.
The Browns are planning to ban Miller from returning to FirstEnergy Stadium, a source told ESPN. NFL Network, which first reported that the fan would be banned, captured video of Haslam walking to the Browns' tunnel just as Jets receiver Garrett Wilson scored the winning touchdown in a 31-30 win over Cleveland. After the bottle hit Haslam, he looked up to try to find the fan who threw it.
Police identified Miller as the suspect using stadium video surveillance and found him before he could leave the stadium. According to the police report, Miller didn't stop when police ordered him to. After detaining him near the exit gate, police took Miller to the stadium police room. The police report noted that officers suspected Miller was intoxicated. He was then taken to the county jail.
Entire article: https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...wns-ban-fan-hitting-owner-jimmy-haslam-bottle
A fan was arrested for allegedly throwing a water bottle at Cleveland Browns owner Jimmy Haslam in the final moments of Sunday's loss to the New York Jets.
Jeffrey Miller, 51, was arrested Sunday on complaints of assault, failure to comply with a lawful order and disorderly conduct, according to the police report.
The Browns are planning to ban Miller from returning to FirstEnergy Stadium, a source told ESPN. NFL Network, which first reported that the fan would be banned, captured video of Haslam walking to the Browns' tunnel just as Jets receiver Garrett Wilson scored the winning touchdown in a 31-30 win over Cleveland. After the bottle hit Haslam, he looked up to try to find the fan who threw it.
Police identified Miller as the suspect using stadium video surveillance and found him before he could leave the stadium. According to the police report, Miller didn't stop when police ordered him to. After detaining him near the exit gate, police took Miller to the stadium police room. The police report noted that officers suspected Miller was intoxicated. He was then taken to the county jail.
Entire article: https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...wns-ban-fan-hitting-owner-jimmy-haslam-bottle
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BuckBackHome
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The punishment is not being allowed to spend good money to see that garbage 8 or 9 times a year in downtown Cleveland? Sign me up!
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In lieu of bail must sit in a cell until he has watched the last minute and a half 25 times
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Given the game situation, how do you feel about being in this scheme?
I guess that gets to Woods a little bit. Because twice now we have busted coverage in the very last situation you want to do that.
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Buckeneye
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Good question.
I'm currently going back (in my free time) and charting defensive calls from start to finish. But before I did that, I skipped ahead to the last drive the Jets put the dagger in, it was mostly cover 2, cover 6 and there was one field side pressure that played like cover 2 to the boundary and match to the field. Unfortunately Flacco did a good job getting the ball where it needed to be on that one.
The Jets moved the ball efficiently against these looks throwing under, similar to how they did in the 1st half, because our corners kept getting some serious sink in their assignment. As a result, gang green got cheap and easy plays being patient. Conversely, in the early 1st half when we showed more man coverage (had a nice 1robber call) and then single high Cover 3 with bump outside, Flacco struggled early throwing the ball downfield and outside.
I'm not far enough in yet to see when, but more importantly why/what made Woods move away from those calls as they initially appeared effective.
I really can't give you anything concrete until I'm done. But gun to my head and needing an immediate answer? I'm not a fan.
For a few big reasons.
- Our zone calls appeared spotty all day.
- gassed pass rush late game gives a QB more time to hold onto the ball, think then deliver.
- Bad communication from our 2 hash safety's that meant (Delpit) had to be perfect in crunch time (he wasn't)
Once the jets crossed midfield, I would have liked to challenged them in more man coverage. Because it was clear that the trade off from them moving on our zone/match calls to clock burned was not in the Browns favor.
Subject to change if I run into film evidence that supports another conclusion though.
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