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Cleveland Browns (2017 Thread of Chlamydia)

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NFBuck said:
I sense an overwhelming tide of apathy in this thread. I work with another former Clowns fan. Nice guy, from Lorain, in his (I think) mid-sixties. He was a fan from childhood and can actually remember the '64 championship team. We were discussing what a disaster they have been since the rebirth today. He said he can remember the moment he was done supporting them...when they drafted Johnny Foosball.

It's an interesting discussion. I think there's a few here that have either totally given up hope, or, like me totally stopped supporting this [Mark May] show. So, the question is, what was the moment for you?

For me? I gave up hope sometime during Mangina's first year. I knew this outfit was NEVER going to get it together. But I can pinpoint the moment I was done supporting them...when they drafted a 28 year system quarterback in the first round. That was it for me. I had a ton of clowns apparel that I used to wear, it all went in boxes and to Goodwill a few months later. Haven't spent a nickel on them since. I couldn't care less of they ever get it together, because I think I get more enjoyment out of their hilarious failures than I ever could from them being competitive.
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I don't remember the date. I just recall sitting there in my home, and realizing how miserable I felt on the vast majority of Sundays.
Invested too much emotional capital, and I was done. My Dad still pays more attention than I do; therefore, I hear snippets. But when they drafted that shit stain last year, and my Dad's defending the decision to me, then I just realized that he'd been Stockholmed and I haven't said another word.
 
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Mike80 said:
The FO hasn't given Jackson enough to work with
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Serious question: How the fuck would we know if the players are any good? Jackson is so utterly incompetent it's impossible to know. Just remember this: Chris Motherfucking Palmer won 5 games in 2 years with an expansion team and Dwight Clark doing the drafting. Jackson was lucky to win 1 in 2 years.

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You fix that by getting rid of Jackson.
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Now you're talking.
 
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Buckeneye said:
Can't remember who posted it..? Hell, maybe it was me - that us schmucks on this board can see well in advance the bad decision taking some of these players would be (Weeden, Manziel, Peppers)
Yet somehow the Ivy league front office still can't fucking get that? It's just unreal but Oh so hilarious.
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The Front Office has its share of fuckups, no question, but Weeden and Manziel were drafted by others.
 
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JCOSU86 said:
Serious question: How the fuck would we know if the players are any good? Jackson is so utterly incompetent it's impossible to know. Just remember this: Chris Motherfucking Palmer won 5 games in 2 years with an expansion team and Dwight Clark doing the drafting. Jackson was lucky to win 1 in 2 years.

Now you're talking.
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This is true, but Bill Walsh and Tom Landry together wouldn't have won more than 2-3 games with this shit smear that is this roster....although there is also a rumor that Jackson and the FO have significantly disagreed on who to pick in the past 2 drafts too and if that's true, my respect level for Jackson goes up a notch....
 
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Mike80 said:
This is true, but Bill Walsh and Tom Landry together wouldn't have won more than 2-3 games with this [Mark May] smear that is this roster....although there is also a rumor that Jackson and the FO have significantly disagreed on who to pick in the past 2 drafts too and if that's true, my respect level for Jackson goes up a notch....
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Sounds like Hue is engaging in some revisionist bullshit to me. All I read before the draft was "Goff, Goff, Goff". And now, he comes out (through his media mouthpieces) that he wanted Wentz. 2 years later. After Wentz started playing at a high level. Reading about what Jackson did at Oakland and now all the mysterious "reports" has convinced me that he is a snake and a cancer and needs to be gone.
 
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JCOSU86 said:
Sounds like Hue is engaging in some revisionist bull[Mark May] to me. All I read before the draft was "Goff, Goff, Goff". And now, he comes out (through his media mouthpieces) that he wanted Wentz. 2 years later. After Wentz started playing at a high level. Reading about what Jackson did at Oakland and now all the mysterious "reports" has convinced me that he is a snake and a cancer and needs to be gone.
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Looks like we're about to find out..Sashi Brown got canned...

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...ignaling-another-year-of-change-in-cleveland/
 
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Mike80 said:
Looks like we're about to find out..Sashi Brown got canned...

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...ignaling-another-year-of-change-in-cleveland/
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I don't want to sound like I'm defending the FO - they have had their fair share of fuck ups. Whiffing on Wentz/Watson/Hooker, drafting Peppers, signing Britt and trading for Coates leap to mind. But Jackson is, at the very least, a major part of the problem there. If he somehow convinced that ignorant hillbilly owner to keep him, the next QB as well as the entire franchise will be fucked for years to come.
 
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JCOSU86 said:
I don't want to sound like I'm defending the FO - they have had their fair share of fuck ups. Whiffing on Wentz/Watson/Hooker, drafting Peppers, signing Britt and trading for Coates leap to mind. But Jackson is, at the very least, a major part of the problem there. If he somehow convinced that ignorant hillbilly owner to keep him, the next QB as well as the entire franchise will be fucked for years to come.
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He has...MKC and Withers have reported that Hue will be back in 2018.
 
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Six extra draft picks and $59 million in cap space for 2018. A smart, aggressive GM could take significant steps in a short period of time, but will the Browns make a good hire?

They should also let the GM pick the head coach.
 
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Jake said:
Six extra draft picks and $59 million in cap space. A smart, aggressive GM could take significant steps in a short period of time, but will the Browns make a good hire?
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They’re definitely going to get a “football guy” this time. Question is, will they have motivation to work or will they surf the Internet like Holmgren did.
 
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JCOSU86 said:
I don't want to sound like I'm defending the FO - they have had their fair share of fuck ups. Whiffing on Wentz/Watson/Hooker, drafting Peppers, signing Britt and trading for Coates leap to mind. But Jackson is, at the very least, a major part of the problem there. If he somehow convinced that ignorant hillbilly owner to keep him, the next QB as well as the entire franchise will be fucked for years to come.
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All good...I don't think Jackson is a good coach. I'm just saying no one is winning with this roster.

One thing (I guess) is a complete roster teardown won't be needed - it's already there.
 
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