Cleveland Browns (2017 Thread of Chlamydia)

[Mike80]

I do not think that Kizer and since, to the best of my knowledge, there is no other player worthy of being the first pick in the draft I would take Rosen. I do not like his frame but he can throw the damn ball. The QB position is the one position that the Browns have to keep drafting until they get it right. You do not win in the NFL without a "franchise" QB.

I guess my question would be who would you take if you did not take a QB with the first pick.

I don't think there is a 1st pick worthy QB in this draft. The 1st pick has to be a guy who can make an impact in 2-3 years at the very least. It's not Kizer either, but Rosen/Darnold/whoever isn't that either.

One thing this season has shown us is this team lacks playmakers at the skill positions and in the defensive secondary. It also needs help along the lines but that's not an urgent need either. Unlike the other 30 times they've traded down, if they don't value a non-QB pick that highly (God only knows with Sashi) they should see who might give up the farm to get Darnold (Denver) and then get 3 or 4 good players that way...

I think the focus of this draft needs to be impact skill players. And I'd really like them to get Barkley too....I think he's going to be good in the NFL.

 

[LitlBuck]

I think the focus of this draft needs to be impact skill players. And I'd really like them to get Barkley too....I think he's going to be good in the NFL.

I have not going to argue about the QB solution. I agree that Barkley will probably make a good RB in the NFL but Jackson underutilizes is RB's so much I wonder how much value he would be to the team.

Regarding skilled players. You can always take a good WR with your other pick in the first round and solidify the DB position and the OL position in the second and third rounds. It is not like we are hurting for draft picks to get skilled players. It is the front offices inability to identify them.

 

[CFPBuckeye]

Brandon Weeden is jealous of his form and accuracy...

But, but, but...clay pigeons!!!!!

 

[Mike80]

I have not going to argue about the QB solution. I agree that Barkley will probably make a good RB in the NFL but Jackson underutilizes is RB's so much I wonder how much value he would be to the team.

You fix that by getting rid of Jackson. And Sashi and the rest of them. The FO hasn't given Jackson enough to work with, but the stigma and stain on Jackson now isn't going to go away very easily. This team has a gazillion draft picks in the next few drafts, it's time to get someone competent to put it all together before the current morons fuck it up even worse.

Regarding skilled players. You can always take a good WR with your other pick in the first round and solidify the DB position and the OL position in the second and third rounds. It is not like we are hurting for draft picks to get skilled players. It is the front offices inability to identify them.

It's about having people who can identify and draft players properly. I don't think that's the current group.

 

[ArmyVet83]

I don't think there is a 1st pick worthy QB in this draft. The 1st pick has to be a guy who can make an impact in 2-3 years at the very least. It's not Kizer either, but Rosen/Darnold/whoever isn't that either.

One thing this season has shown us is this team lacks playmakers at the skill positions and in the defensive secondary. It also needs help along the lines but that's not an urgent need either. Unlike the other 30 times they've traded down, if they don't value a non-QB pick that highly (God only knows with Sashi) they should see who might give up the farm to get Darnold (Denver) and then get 3 or 4 good players that way...

I think the focus of this draft needs to be impact skill players. And I'd really like them to get Barkley too....I think he's going to be good in the NFL.

Agree about Barkley (kid will be great in the NFL) and skill players. The draft is deep in WR and CB, however, they need help at both safety positions as well. Question is, "Will the Browns trade down for more picks if that QB sits at the top?" Darnold and Rosen are the top QBs prior to the NFL Pre-Draft workouts and a trade down might be feasible if additional needs can be gained. It's a shame that Baker Mayfield is a rich man's Johnny Football ( Yes I think Mayfield is a better football player than Manziel), because I think if he had his head on straight he would be a very good NFL QB. But hell as of today, they have the #1 overall and another Top 10 pick (Texans) plus three 2nd round picks. Can the Browns FO screw this up too?

My first two picks (no trades)?

#1 - Darnold or Rosen.

#7 (Based on Texans position today) - BPA at Skill Position in this order. Barkley, Fitzpatrick, James, or Kirk.


Hell, will Hue Jackson and the current FO be making the picks come draft day? How can a team go from 1-15 to 0-16?

I guess that's the painful life in the Factory of Sadness, we always have the off season. It will be painfully fun.

 

[bukIpower]

They'll take a QB first and then trade the seventh for a 20th pick this year and a teams 2nd rounder this year you watch lol... got all these picks and won't even use them but will keep trading for more picks

 

[Honor&Glory]

I hope it is not Rosen. Every time I try to watch Rosen play the last two years he has been hurt. That cannot bode well for the Browns

 

[Buckeneye]

I realize people making predictions love to write stupid [Mark May] to get eyeballs on their draft picks, but I would be surprised if the Browns choose yet another QB (their 3rd in 4 years) with the 1st pick in the draft....

They will.

Rosen is actually a guy that's shown quite a bit I like too. The rest of the group? Not so much. Aside from Benkurt and that would turn it into a RG3/Cousins draft.

edit: I'm all about BPA with Houston's pick - starting to think that's Bradley Chubb.

 

[CFPBuckeye]

MRI on Chlamydia’s knee today. Hue says he hopes it’s nothing serious (uhhhhh duh?) but I bet Sashi is sweating the most. He’d hate for the Browns to have to play someone else at safety and show the world that anyone can make a few tackles, mediocre kick returns and have zero affect on pass D...not just our super human 1st round, 1st ballot hall of fame safety.

 

[NFBuck]

**SPOILER*

Spoiler: Click

They will fuck up next year's draft.

 

[NFBuck]

I sense an overwhelming tide of apathy in this thread. I work with another former Clowns fan. Nice guy, from Lorain, in his (I think) mid-sixties. He was a fan from childhood and can actually remember the '64 championship team. We were discussing what a disaster they have been since the rebirth today. He said he can remember the moment he was done supporting them...when they drafted Johnny Foosball.

It's an interesting discussion. I think there's a few here that have either totally given up hope, or, like me totally stopped supporting this shit show. So, the question is, what was the moment for you?

For me? I gave up hope sometime during Mangina's first year. I knew this outfit was NEVER going to get it together. But I can pinpoint the moment I was done supporting them...when they drafted a 28 year system quarterback in the first round. That was it for me. I had a ton of clowns apparel that I used to wear, it all went in boxes and to Goodwill a few months later. Haven't spent a nickel on them since. I couldn't care less of they ever get it together, because I think I get more enjoyment out of their hilarious failures than I ever could from them being competitive.

 

[LordJeffBuck]

It's an interesting discussion. I think there's a few here that have either totally given up hope, or, like me totally stopped supporting this [Mark May] show. So, the question is, what was the moment for you?

Kellen Winslow over Ben Roethlisberger in the 2004 draft took me half way, and then Braylon Edwards in the next draft pushed me into full nuclear meltdown. I've been a certified Browns hater since then.

 

[Buckeneye]

I held on a bit longer, at this point I'm not emotionally invested but would like to see them not suck. Drafting Manziel then getting rid of Hoyer pretty much did me in. Everything since then has been pure comedy. I've been to one game since that 14' season, the tickets were paid for and I bought nothing in the stadium. Aside from having them on as background noise when I'm nursing a hangover, I don't make it a point to watch the game Sunday anymore either.

 

[ArmyVet83]

While I have always followed and cheered for the Browns, it started for me when Art moved the team to Baltimore. It's like the franchise lost its soul and a curse was put on the city for football. Too many moments to count since then from the shitty drafts (the one that got me was the Trent Richardson and Brandon Weedon picks. My wife thought I was loosing my mind.) Kind of like the girlfriend you dump because she is a complete train wreck but after she leaves she falls into that bottomless pit of despair and you can't help but feel bad for her. Yea, that's the Browns for me. The city of Cleveland deserves better.

 

[CFPBuckeye]

Brandon Weeden was the beginning of the truly WTF. It’s one thing to take a guy who was awesome in college (Manziel) and hope the trend continues (even when most people can plainly see that it won’t.) The Weeden pick was just strange. The dude was a man. He was 30. A 30 year old rookie. He had still never seen anything like the pros. His age was not a positive. Hell, by the time he would have “gotten it,” he’ be 32-33 and that was (obviously) wishful thinking.

I think (know) the nail in the coffin was Jabrill Peppers. It was at that point where I gave up any hope that any FO or coach or Jesus could ever save this team. Eternally fucked. Embrace it.

Thing is, as much as I pretty much hate them now and only watch for the comedy, they’re still my team. I’ve known people who switched to being a Ravens fan and shit like that. Not me. When the Browns (likely never) become good again, I’ll be there. Call me fairweather. I’m just not going to die with the Browns. Live and die? No. I’ll live with them but be damned if they bring me down every Sunday with their ineptitude.