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Cleveland Browns (2016 thread of unrelenting dumpster conflagration)

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CFPBuckeye said:
This could be a bad example but I look at the trade downs and extra draft picks like the SEC practice of oversigning (only there isn't anything against having more draft picks.) You try to take as large of a portion of the draft pool as possible and then you have a greater chance at more sticking. The SEC signs and signs and signs and then they just drop the ones that are least likely to contribute, to get down to their limit. It's not a bad strategy. There is always the chance that a bad GM misses on all of the picks but there is also the chance that as @AKAK mentioned above, you can hit on 6-8 out of 12 instead of only having 6-8 picks and hoping to hit on them all. That, to me, is why the SEC has had more success and depth of solid teams. It's because they take 30-35 kids and then keep the 25 kids that are the best, whereas other conferences teams take just their allotment and when you factor in the misses from those classes, they are left with only 15-20 players at best who will contribute.
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The SEC oversigns with 5 stars. The Browns traded back, eliminating better and better players each time.
 
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BuckeyeNation27 said:
Where are the Browns 5 stars?
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They're the guys that the Browns SHOULD draft but never do. 1st round picks or at least top 10 picks, should be the 5 stars. Those picks, the Browns usually miss on. But they hit on Joe Thomas so they don't have a 0% success rate at least.

The situations aren't exactly the same but it is similar in the fact that the more players you draft, the more you have a chance at hitting on more to remain on the roster and contribute. Of course, the lower the pick, generally means the lower the chance of a player sticking but I am in favor or multiple 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks.
 
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So apparently, and maybe unsurprisngly, all the Browns picks were hits with the Pro Football Focus (PFF) guys. They're all about numbers.

Browns FO probably just bought a subscription to the site, let's be real.
 
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So at the end of the day, if the QB is flat on his back 90% of the time because his OL sucks so bad he can't get the ball out how does this draft help? Maybe they figure quick hitters to Coleman all day will make up for the lack of an OL. Maybe Kessler fits that mold of quick throws. I think they could of also used one of the WR picks for a RB that can get N/S in a hurry...
 
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CFPBuckeye said:
The situations aren't exactly the same but it is similar in the fact that the more players you draft, the more you have a chance at hitting on more to remain on the roster and contribute.
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Reminds me of a strategy I heard about years ago from an exec at a manufacturing company. He was warned that the new product they were developing would result in a net loss of $1 on every sale. "Not to worry" he replied. "We'll make up for it in volume."
 
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LostLassie said:
Reminds me of a strategy I heard about years ago from an exec at a manufacturing company. He was warned that the new product they were developing would result in a net loss of $1 on every sale. "Not to worry" he replied. "We'll make up for it in volume."
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He was an exec? Did you work for the Cleveland Browns manufacturing company?

Honestly though, it's not a bad way to go about it. Sure it would have been nice to draft players at higher picks but though they traded back this year, it gives them more of the higher picks next year. Next years draft should be a little more exciting.
 
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Bucklion said:
Baskin on the radio today said "They drafted 9 Dellys, but they have no LeBron to go with them". Seems apt.
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I counted seven Dellys, with two prospects (Seth DeValve and Trey Caldwell) being such unknowns that I couldn't really compare them to anybody.

By "Dellys", I took them to mean players whose attitude/hustle/desire make up for their lack of athleticism. The seven "Delly" draftees certainly have all that. What differentiates them from Delly is that six of the seven went to big-time programs (Colorado State's Higgins being the exception) and that all had outstanding production in college, while Delly averaged 14.2 points and 5.6 assists at St. Mary's:

PlayerHeightWeight40-timeComments from NFL Network and CBS Sports
Carl Nassib6' 7"277 lbs4.84 secThin legs ... needs more mass ... not much twitch ... lacking agility, explosiveness, fluidity
Cody Kessler6' 1"220 lbs4.89 secAverage size, adequate arm, fair athleticism ... physical limitations
Joe Schoebert6' 1"244 lbs4.76 secLess-than-ideal size ... lacks quick twitch ... average athleticism ... lacking strength
Jordan Payton6' 1"207 lbs4.47 secLack of speed and athleticism to beat coverage ... average top-end speed
Spencer Drango6' 6"315 lbs5.27 secAverage lower body, barrel chest, "Spongebob frame" ... not a very good athlete
Rashard Higgins6' 1"196 lbs4.64 secThin-boned ... pedestrian speed ... average quickness ... overmatched physically
Scooby Wright III6' 0"239 lbs4.90 secAverage athlete, below average straight-line speed ... stiff, lacks fluidity
In sum, all of these guys were solid, highly-decorated, very productive football players at the college level, but each of them lacks prototypical NFL athleticism. Every team needs a few Dellys, but you can't have too many guys on your roster who can't keep up with the speed of the NFL game.
 
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AKAK said:
Well, the evaluation there was always, do you Take Wentz (or Goff) OR do you take a guy and get the roster better at 2. If they'd stayed at 2 and taken Bosa over Goff, I think that would have been the wrong move, and it wouldn't have been close. You just fill ONE roster spot with ONE less important roster spot. On the other hand if you turn that #2 pick into 8 guys (and I'm betting there's at least a 50/50 chance it ends up more) that's a different story.
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There's a very glaring issue with this comparison. One of these guys has a very high chance of being a monster in 5 years while the other is collecting unemployment.
You're also severely under-rating players that disrupt the opponent's QB, as the last SB demonstrated. DE Von Miller > QB Cam Newton.
 
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kujirakira said:
There's a very glaring issue with this comparison. One of these guys has a very high chance of being a monster in 5 years while the other is collecting unemployment.
You're also severely under-rating players that disrupt the opponent's QB, as the last SB demonstrated. DE Von Miller > QB Cam Newton.
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Joe Thomas has been named to what? 9 pro bowls? Pretty important position too. I get it, but they need 8 guys more than they need one.
 
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