Cleveland Browns (2016 thread of unrelenting dumpster conflagration)

[CFPBuckeye]

As Buckeye fans, we constantly rip on Baylor for using a gimmicky air raid offense, for being in a conference that plays absolutely no defense, for playing the weakest schedule in college football, and for running up the score against all those patsies.

You're absolutely right about Baylor's offense and the complaints that Browns fans make.

Then the Browns spend the #15 overall pick on the player who was the primary beneficiary of Baylor's air raid, patsy-thumping, stat-inflating offense, and now as Browns fans we're supposed to be excited about this selection?

None of the WR drafted have proven anything in the league yet. A good WR can come from a gimmicky offense. He could also be a beneficiary of the "air raid" offense. Jury is still out.

Last season, Browns fans endlessly complained about having a bunch of sub-six-foot wide receivers. Coleman is a sub-six-foot wide receiver.

I'm not thrilled with a sub 6 ft. WR but I'll wait and see what the new front office is doing. They say he was the top guy on their board so we shall see. Randall Cobb is only 5'10" and if the Browns could have drafted him last night with the #15, I'm sure most people would accept that. This pick can't be any worse than the Justin Gilbert pick last year. Worst case scenario is status quo.

Last season, Browns fans endlessly complained about wide receivers dropping passes. Coleman dropped 10 passes in 2015, for a drop rate of 11.9%.

His drop rate in the pros is 0% for now. Let's see if it gets to Braylon Edwards/Greg Little levels in the pros.

Every draft, Browns fans complain about reaching for players. Coleman was generally projected to be drafted #22-#25, and was almost certainly not the best player available at #15; he probably wasn't even the best wide receiver available.

This player wasn't nearly the reach we've seen in years past and player rankings/draft boards all differ and change in hindsight. In the end, maybe we will look back and say "how did Corey Coleman fall all the way to 15?" It's the Browns, so it's unlikely but I will reserve my judgement until there is something to judge.

Odds are we will look back and see this draft as another waste but it hasn't happened yet and there is still a chance that we won't. Plenty of WR have come out of less gimmicky offenses with more ideal measurables and flopped. I'm pretty negative when it comes to the Browns because it's the Browns and they suck terribly, year in and year out. I'm still willing to give this new regime the benefit of the doubt for now. What else can we do? They could have made much more terrible selections last night. Maybe they could have taken Cook or Hackenberg at 15. That'd be much worse. Maybe they could've traded back up into the first to grab Cook or Hackenberg. That would have been much worse. They could have reached for someone with a second round grade. I'll be happy, for now. It's the little bit of happiness I can get before the season starts and the quest for 0-16 begins.

 

[Jaxbuck]

EDIT: Baylor football has been under a ton of scrutiny lately, and the Browns have been burned by two former Baylor players (Phil Taylor, Josh Gordon). I hope that the Browns did their due diligence with Coleman.

They did.

Investigation led them to conclude he is too small to beat up a woman.

 

[Poe McKnoe]

@CFPBuckeye thats the kind of unbridled optimism I thought the franchise had squeezed out of all its fans.

 

[CFPBuckeye]

@CFPBuckeye thats the kind of unbridled optimism I thought the franchise had squeezed out of all its fans.

Lmao. Just wait until the season starts. You won't be hearing any optimism from this guy. (I'm pointing at myself right now.)

My optimism will die soon enough. For now, I wasn't wanting them to draft a QB in the top 2 for reasons that I've repeated ad nauseum and most are tired of hearing. They didn't take some red flag guys. They didn't get desperate later and try to trade back up for a QB who will bust. They acquired picks and seemed to have a plan. It's almost as if they aren't trying to fix the unfixable in one year which is a sigh of relief. I'm assuming there has been communication between the new regime and Tennessee Jerrah that this is going to be a process, next year will be awful, but they are setting themselves up for next years draft to really fix SOME of the things troubling this franchise. Does anyone want some of these drugs?

 

[colobuck79]

I am just happy that they didn't get Joey Bosa at #2, or one of those QBs. That would have been horrible. This team has done nothing to earn our trust in matters of the draft. The franchise has an institutional stupid that is beyond anything I have ever seen. They have screwed up more draft picks that we can count. This will probably be another one, if the past is any indication, and it usually is. Connor Cook to start out the evening tonight will be the final nail in the coffin. Please, let me be wrong.

 

[Jake]

I actually thought they were going to take Lynch at 15 after the trade down.

 

[colobuck79]

I actually thought they were going to take Lynch at 15 after the trade down.

The fact that they didn't means that he will be in Canton one day.

 

[ScriptOhio]

Just sayin': The Browns are on the clock.

 

[LordJeffBuck]

Randall Cobb is only 5'10" and if the Browns could have drafted him last night with the #15, I'm sure most people would accept that.

Well, maybe.

Randall Cobb was drafted at the bottom of the second round, #64 overall. Corey Coleman was drafted #15 overall.

Cobb is a #2 or #3 receiver in Green Bay's system. Coleman will be the Browns' #1 option from day one.

Cobb has one of the best quarterbacks in NFL history throwing the ball to him. Coleman will have Josh McCown and RG3 as his quarterbacks.

Cobb has certainly improved over time, but his career totals (5 years) are not those of a superstar: 306 receptions (4.5 per game) for 3,878 yards (57.0 ypg, 12.7 ypc) and 31 touchdowns.

The Browns invested a lot to get the next Randall Cobb as opposed to a true stud wide receiver like A.J. Green or Julio Jones or Odell Beckham, Jr.

Now if Coleman becomes the next Antonio Brown (also 5'10" sub-200 lbs), then they definitely will have got value for that pick. But Randall Cobb? Not so much.

 

[CFPBuckeye]

Well, maybe.

Randall Cobb was drafted at the bottom of the second round, #64 overall. Corey Coleman was drafted #15 overall.

Cobb is a #2 or #3 receiver in Green Bay's system. Coleman will be the Browns' #1 option from day one.

Cobb has one of the best quarterbacks in NFL history throwing the ball to him. Coleman will have Josh McCown and RG3 as his quarterbacks.

Cobb has certainly improved over time, but his career totals (5 years) are not those of a superstar: 306 receptions (4.5 per game) for 3,878 yards (57.0 ypg, 12.7 ypc) and 31 touchdowns.

The Browns invested a lot to get the next Randall Cobb as opposed to a true stud wide receiver like A.J. Green or Julio Jones or Odell Beckham, Jr.

Now if Coleman becomes the next Antonio Brown (also 5'10" sub-200 lbs), then they definitely will have got value for that pick. But Randall Cobb? Not so much.

Antonio Brown is a much better example of a WR at 5'10" so we'll go with him and forget I said Randall Cobb. Brown was taken in the 6th round so people didn't really critique that pick nearly as much but if he had gone in the first, the argument would be "we drafted a 5'10" WR from Central Michigan" and people would be skeptical. It's more risky to take a guy where you think his production will be as opposed to where you can get him though, that I understand. Truth is, I hope he can become an Antonio Brown and as far as AJ Green/Julio/Beckham Jr., I honestly don't think there is one of those in this draft but who knew Beckham Jr. would be Beckham Jr.? That's the beauty of hindsight. Teams probably thought he'd be a good WR, he went in the first round, but did anyone know they would pass on or be drafting a WR that is now a top 3-5 WR in the league? Beckham Jr. would definitely not be going behind Kelvin Benjamin and Mike Evans in a redraft.

 

[Buckeneye]

Brown and ODB are more exception than rule.

Fact is, at 8 or 15 you draft a consensus #1 receiver. The guy who can play inside and outside the numbers, work a full route tree, doesn't have questions about his focus on the catch and can beat you over the top or on 50/50 balls.

11.9% drop rate is not good. Though I understand its a high volume offense so more throws mean more chances for drops. But this kid dropped several short catches in the two games I've watched thus far.

And again, let's talk about this Baylor offense. Coleman has had it easy with coverage adjustments. He's in for a shock come training camp.

 

[NJ-Buckeye]

K.. I'm on a roll predicting the Browns trade activity
next prediction

Browns trade #32 to Dallas for #34 plus their round 3 (#101)
giving the Browns 8 picks in the top 101

PS Thus Browns OWN Friday's and 1st half hour of Saturday's draft

 

[Bucklion]

The last guy they took from Baylor is the best skill position player the Browns have employed since 1999.

For how long before he wasn't allowed to play?

 

[CFPBuckeye]

11.9% drop rate is not good. Though I understand its a high volume offense so more throws mean more chances for drops. But this kid dropped several short catches in the two games I've watched thus far.

From what I understand, his drop rate was only around 6.6% his senior year.

From ESPN

What he brings: Coleman needs to make strides as a route runner, and his 2015 drop percentage (6.6 percent) is reason for concern, but he has the potential to get better in those areas. He does have something you can't coach up, and that's speed. He's fast enough to run past corners who don't give him a healthy cushion, and he has the burst to pull away from pursuit when he gets a crease after the catch. -- Steve Muench

http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2016/st...016-results-tracker-analysis-picks-live-order

 

[Bucklion]

K.. I'm on a roll predicting the Browns trade activity
next prediction

Browns trade #32 to Dallas for #34 plus their round 3 (#101)
giving the Browns 8 picks in the top 101

PS Thus Browns OWN Friday's and 1st half hour of Saturday's draft

They are hoping someone wants to move up for Myles Jack I think...I definitely see them trading down a handful of spots, but I don't see them getting more than a 4 to do so. I don't think a team will trade a 3 for 3-4 spots in round 2