Yeah if they aren't 100% sure a QB at #2 is a can't miss Pro Bowler they need to go BPA. Another option would be to trade down lower in the top 10 and still get one of the top 2 QB's.
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Yeah if they aren't 100% sure a QB at #2 is a can't miss Pro Bowler they need to go BPA. Another option would be to trade down lower in the top 10 and still get one of the top 2 QB's.
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Bringing in RGIII gives this team the flexibility they need in this draft. I am not downplaying the potential of Wentz or Goff @ 2 or even saying that RGIII will resurrect his career in Cleveland, but the Browns need much more than a QB at the top of this draft. IMO, this team needs to focus on taking the BPA at each position on the draft board. They need help everywhere (OL (Tunsil), RB (Elliot), WR (Treadwell) and yes QB on offense). They need help on defense against the run as well as pass rush (Bosa, Jack) (Upgrading the front 7) or even Ramsey at DB. Bottom line is this team needs a lot and they have set themselves up in the next two drafts with their own picks along with comp picks.
So with that said would you take an unproven QB, Wentz or Goof or any of the other players listed above @ 2? OR trade down and still get one of players left on the draft board and get an additional high pick?
One thing the FO needs to keep in the back of their mind is the depth in next years QB class. Right now, Watson is the only one that looks like a sure thing and could be the number 1 pick next year (if he declares). A lot of unknowns. But who heard of Wentz before this year?
So with that said would you take an unproven QB, Wentz or Goof or any of the other players listed above @ 2? OR trade down and still get one of players left on the draft board and get an additional high pick?
One thing the FO needs to keep in the back of their mind is the depth in next years QB class. Right now, Watson is the only one that looks like a sure thing and could be the number 1 pick next year (if he declares). A lot of unknowns. But who heard of Wentz before this year?
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I can't necessarily agree with 'blown it' on Wimbley, dude played some pretty decent football for us. I hate the Courtney Brown thing. Guy had so much talent but just couldn't avoid the injury bug.
Beyond that, I like Wentz and agree that he needs a year or two. However bringing in RG3 whom isn't a known mentor like McCown screams that they're trending in a different direction for QB. Granted Robert is making
high end back up money, so its not out of the realm of possibility.
QB play and Oline play have doomed this team for some time. The latter of those had been fixed for a while with only glimpses of above average play from the signal caller.
Beyond that, I like Wentz and agree that he needs a year or two. However bringing in RG3 whom isn't a known mentor like McCown screams that they're trending in a different direction for QB. Granted Robert is making
high end back up money, so its not out of the realm of possibility.
QB play and Oline play have doomed this team for some time. The latter of those had been fixed for a while with only glimpses of above average play from the signal caller.
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tsteele316
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i think the mentor thing isn't something the coaching staff worries about. sure the last group did, because they were all blundering buffoons, but this staff doesn't seem concerned about it so much as having a guy that won't maim himself 2 quarters into a game.
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I've said it for years to the point that I think I'm going insane...forget the QB. Just forget it. I was willing to just roll with Hoyer before they wasted a pick on Johnny Fuckstain. I'm willing to just roll with McCown and Bob Griffin now. Fill the holes up and down the roster first and THEN get a QB either by draft or FA. Maybe a QB would want to come be the final piece to a roster that isn't void of talent everywhere. I'm sick of trading down, too. I used to like the idea but these assholes need actual difference makers...difference makers that come in the top 5 of the draft and not with the #13 and #20 picks that these clowns trade down to. Sure you can still get talent there if you're a competent franchise but the Browns need to fall face first in to talent to find it.
So my philosophy for these dipshits is this...
Keep your fucking top 2 draft pick and actually, you know, draft a top 2 player...
Forget about QB. No matter how many times these shit sippers try to go QB, it doesn't work anyway so just pretend like you tried and the results won't be any different...
Build a fucking team by filling all the gaping holes up and down the roster. It might take a few years when you don't try to trade picks to make sure you have 20 each year since we all know how well the 3 or 4 fourth round picks work out for the Browns. I wouldn't mind only having 5 picks for the entire draft if the Browns traded their lower picks away to move UP and get more of the top 90 players instead of drafting 5 players in the top 120-180 range. The Browns need TALENT not bodies. They need bodies too, but get bodies over the course of a few years instead of filling half your roster with low round picks from one single draft. Draft top quality players for a few years and sacrifice those few seasons. In the end, every season ends up as a sacrifice anyway...
Get QB later. As has been said, GB got Rodgers in the 20's. Cleveland could do the same and the guy could possibly play like a, wait for it...good QB, if the entire roster around him didn't suck dog shit. Even if the Browns drafted Peyton Manning this year, he'd be dead, a FA, or addicted to the Surp before the team was ever good enough to give him a fair chance to succeed...
Profit
So my philosophy for these dipshits is this...
Keep your fucking top 2 draft pick and actually, you know, draft a top 2 player...
Forget about QB. No matter how many times these shit sippers try to go QB, it doesn't work anyway so just pretend like you tried and the results won't be any different...
Build a fucking team by filling all the gaping holes up and down the roster. It might take a few years when you don't try to trade picks to make sure you have 20 each year since we all know how well the 3 or 4 fourth round picks work out for the Browns. I wouldn't mind only having 5 picks for the entire draft if the Browns traded their lower picks away to move UP and get more of the top 90 players instead of drafting 5 players in the top 120-180 range. The Browns need TALENT not bodies. They need bodies too, but get bodies over the course of a few years instead of filling half your roster with low round picks from one single draft. Draft top quality players for a few years and sacrifice those few seasons. In the end, every season ends up as a sacrifice anyway...
Get QB later. As has been said, GB got Rodgers in the 20's. Cleveland could do the same and the guy could possibly play like a, wait for it...good QB, if the entire roster around him didn't suck dog shit. Even if the Browns drafted Peyton Manning this year, he'd be dead, a FA, or addicted to the Surp before the team was ever good enough to give him a fair chance to succeed...
Profit
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ArmyVet83
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Cleveland should never, ever draft a QB in the 20 - 29 range again. Weeden? Manziel? But I am in agreement with you CFPBuckeye. Fill the holes on this team with the BPA at each pick. ONLY TRADE down if you can draft a player of similar talent level (ie. Trade with the Cowboys and get their pick at 4 and their 2nd round pick and say select Bosa, Jack, Ramsey or Tunsil @ 4; Then with their 2nd rounder BPA at QB, WR, OL or LB). That's the only way you should trade down if you can get similar talent levels but not necessarily at the same position but a position of need nonetheless. 3 starters drafted in the top 36 or so? I'll take that.) Possibly getting Bosa, DL (4), Coleman, WR (32), at (34) go OL with Nick Martin (C/G) or Jason Spriggs at RT. From rounds 3 - 7, eight more picks to build on. I am cautiously optimistic that this FO might actually know what they are doing.
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Drafting at QB at #2 can work.
Drafting a QB at #2 because there's no one QB worthy of that spot will not.
Drafting a QB at #2 because there's no one QB worthy of that spot will not.
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I don't think any QB is worthy of the #2 overall this year. Plus, with the Browns, a QB isn't going to fix this team. That's like using chewing gum to fix a leak in your boat. You have 20 leaks, you use gum on one of them, and then get mad when the gum doesn't work, and call the gum a bust.
Edit: I am aware that even if the boat had one leak, the gum wouldn't work but don't try and ruin a good analogy
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tsteele316
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People are going to have to square with the fact that the browns are going to take a qb in the first.
All the talk of plugging holes with gum and whatnot are all irrelevant if you don't have a qb. Joey bosa Zeke, Ramsey et all don't move the win meter like a qb.
All the talk of plugging holes with gum and whatnot are all irrelevant if you don't have a qb. Joey bosa Zeke, Ramsey et all don't move the win meter like a qb.
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With the second pick in the 2016 NFL draft, the Cleveland Browns select...the monster from 'Cloverfield.'
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Of course the Browns need a QB. That is undeniable. The question is, do you draft one now, throw him to the wolves with expectations that he can't meet? Or do you build a team first so the QB isn't guaranteed to fail when he sets foot on the field?
I like anaolgies so here is another one...
You're getting in to the sport of racing (which I admittedly don't know much about or don't care about)...
Driver or car?
Is your first concern getting a good driver to drive your beater around the track? Or would you rather build a machine that can actually compete with the other teams out there and then find somebody to drive it? And if you want to go the beater route...do you think you're going to find anyone who wants to sign up for that job (FA wise since you wouldn't draft a driver, but if you were to draft a driver, how would he fare driving a shitty car?)
Also, it's the Browns so the win meter isn't going to move with a rookie QB that isn't worth the #2 pick either. I think it's broken.
But this problem speaks to what the Browns are facing. The solution isn't even remotely simple like "fix the oline and we're good" or "all we need is a WR and we're on our way." It's more like, "Damn...everything is broken and I don't even know where to start."
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ArmyVet83
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But do any of the QBs in this draft, in the 1st round, with the #2 overall selection, plug that win meter? There is no Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck here.
Bottom line there is no clear cut #1 this year esp. at QB and you do not draft a QB @ 2 overall to sit. He comes in to start day ONE. Wentz and Goff are enticing and I like both but I just have a hard time grasping the concept that the Browns would select either @ 2 based on the status of the O-Line.
The only thing that makes me think that they will go Carson Wentz or Jared Goff is because Hue Jackson is the HC.
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