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Mac;2332984; said:
As much as I don't understand the hate for him (after all, he DID beat the Squeelers in the playoffs), I'd rather they look at other options at QB.
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y0yoyoin;2332995; said:
He would probably be a good backup anyplace where the starter runs the read option. Just not someplace where the goal for the QB is to get the ball down the field.
Weeden is a much better fit for this offense than he was for Shurmur's. I think the Browns will probably look to take a QB in the draft next year, but it will depend on how well Weeden plays to determine what round that QB gets drafted in. If Weeden sucks the Browns will be taking a first round QB. If he makes a good improvement and the Browns end up 8-8 or better they'll probably look for a project in a later round knowing that Weeden should be the starter for at least the next few years.
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jlb1705;2332574; said:
Well, and this may not describe you, so forgive me if that's the case, but, I think there is/was some concern that the new regime such as it is, was going to come in and eviscerate the roster of a team that was more or less headed in the right direction... now, obviously you're correct that there are current needs, TE comes to mind, but, I think there's a sense that thsi team has a number of pretty good players that they aren't sure about yet, so, why spend a lot of draft picks to displace guys that you might like, when next year you're gonna have a much better sense of what the real needs are. (and will have better picks to use on them or as assets for other moves)
Further, the roster is reasonably young, so its not as though you have a bunch of second stringers that are long in the tooth and need to be replaced.
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AKAK;2332997; said:
Well, they certainly didn't...do...that. In fact, quite the opposite. That punt job on this year's draft kind of indicates they are looking at 2014, and will use this year as somewhat of an open tryout to see who fits and who doesn't.
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Bucklion;2333001; said:
Well, it may be (I don't mean to give them too much credit, but, it was an active plan, not a passive one, so SOMETHING had to be the strategy) sort of the same thing - other than not liking any of them much - as not using a high pick on a QB, where, since they didn't like any of them much, you're just changing to make a change, and well, you have a new coaching staff, etc, so why do that? Its not as though the old plan was stale and outlived, you got rid of Shurmur, etc. So why replace a bunch of guys you're not sure need to be replaced?
At any rate, if you like the idea of better selections next year, add Josh Gordon to this class and think that Slaughter will rebound from his injury, and assume McFadden is at least an upgrade/younger guy on the outside at CB... maybe its not too bad. The 7th round guys will end up being what they are, but hey, they're 7th rounders.
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AKAK;2333006; said:
No, I do think the jury is out. I actually think the key to this year's crop will be the corner...if he develops into at least a good nickel guy this year, then they will have something. Mingo will probably be OK, and I don't see any of the other guys making an impact other than ST. Bess will likely play, but I can't see him catching more than 30-40 balls, tops. Gordon is as good of a receiver as they could have gotten in the second round, so he is fine, as long as Lombardi doesn't let his ego get in the way and release him.
Pluto said in the PD that they were likely amassing picks in case they need to trade up for a QB next year. While there may be some truth to that, Bellichik has always amassed picks in NE, rarely trading up (but doing so once in a while for a specific guy) so I imagine it is more the tree than for a QB.
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Bucklion;2333017; said:
Well, that's classic Pluto overthink, they are amassing draft picks in case they need to _____ . Sure it might be for a QB. Might be to trade for Mallett, I mean, I don't like that idea, but, you can preserve, amass assets to give you flexibility. I mean, as cranky as folks are now, extra picks in the first 3 rounds are fun to have later. I mean, one is a fourth, but, maybe they do trade Sheard for a second (no idea) but, Lombardi may suck at evaluating talent, but, at least he's giving himself the flexibility to do something stupid.
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exhawg;2332996; said:
Well, we do need a tight end. (or more to the point an H-Back, or F-back or whatever Norv calls them).
(I'm not up for the side show but, if he gets over this QB crap, he might be abel to do something)
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AKAK;2333022; said:
That's why I really wanted them to go after Boren. Gronkowski's brother looked good in the preseason last year so I wouldn't be surprised to see him make the team this year with Watson and Smith gone. I'm not overly worried about TE.
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Patrick Bateman
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We weren't gonna contend in 2013 anyway...I like the direction we are going...We drafted 2 starters in Mingo and McFadden, judging by the tape I've saw McFadden is good..really good...Add in Gordon and also Bess in the trade, and this draft is respectable..
What I really like is the trades to acquire more mid round picks which can be packaged for a possible trade up for a QB( Bridgewater and Boyd I like)..Couple that with the fact we have 6 picks in the first 4 rounds and the most cap space of any team in the NFL still, we are very close my friends...I say playoff bound in 2014 and perennial contenders afterwards, IF the QB situation pans out...everything else is aligned...Joe Banner has this going correctly IMO...
What I really like is the trades to acquire more mid round picks which can be packaged for a possible trade up for a QB( Bridgewater and Boyd I like)..Couple that with the fact we have 6 picks in the first 4 rounds and the most cap space of any team in the NFL still, we are very close my friends...I say playoff bound in 2014 and perennial contenders afterwards, IF the QB situation pans out...everything else is aligned...Joe Banner has this going correctly IMO...
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Buckeneye
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Mingo isn't a starter... yet.
He's a specialty player that will need development and patience. He'll be in on obvious passing downs with his hand in the dirt screaming off the edge. He'll play in specific blitz' packages and a handful of coverage ones in specific situations.
Aside from playing a spy or dropping into the flat's to defend, he really hasn't been exposed to many of the things an OLB will do when dropping into coverage at the position. A learning process. It will take time. Good news is - he seems like a bright kid with a great work ethic.
He's a specialty player that will need development and patience. He'll be in on obvious passing downs with his hand in the dirt screaming off the edge. He'll play in specific blitz' packages and a handful of coverage ones in specific situations.
Aside from playing a spy or dropping into the flat's to defend, he really hasn't been exposed to many of the things an OLB will do when dropping into coverage at the position. A learning process. It will take time. Good news is - he seems like a bright kid with a great work ethic.
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LitlBuck;2333059; said:
Maybe that shows that they are pretty happy with the TE's that they have, or that by the time the 4th round rolled around there weren't any left that were an improvement over what they have on the roster.
You can really only count on drafting a starter in the first few rounds and I'm thinking they did that even if Mingo is a backup/pass rush specialist this year. Might as well see what is on the roster before blowing it up and drafting players when you don't really know what you need.
The Browns have a lot of what-if's going into next year. But if guys like Cameron, Weeden, McFadden, Slaughter, and a guard or two can make big strides there will be far fewer holes to fill next year. I like the idea of socking up on picks next year once the coaches see what they have to work with.
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