Cleveland Browns (2013 Season)

[tsteele316]

Those goal line carries that Brown got - had Trent had them I'd sure he'd punch them in as well. Plenty of space to operate.
That said, his ypc isn't lighting it up.

I doubt Hyde will be taken in the first two rounds. If he's available in the 3rd-4th though, I'm all for it. He is the kind of back we should be looking
for. A late game finisher. Physical, between the tackles and has enough burst to bounce it outside if need be. Norv has made his bones off the inside
running game - we have no RB on roster with that capability right now. If Lewis ever gets healthy he'd be a great compliment to a power run game.

really, it shows a lack of confidence in him at this point. the colts don't want to sacrifice a shot at the endzone while richardson runs up the back of one of his guards instead of taking the giant cutback lane and strolling in for a TD. the fact that the browns RBBC, led by the one legged corpse of willis mcgahee, is generating equal production should be a pretty clear indicator of richardson's poor productivity.

 

[LitlBuck]

[cue despairing music]

Brandon Weeden cannot read defenses.

Brandon Weeden holds on to the ball too long.

Brandon Weeden has no mobility in the pocket.
[Voice of Doom and Gloom]

Brandon Weeden cannot read defenses.

Brandon Weeden holds on to the ball too long.

Brandon Weeden has no mobility in the pocket.

Brandon Weeden has no touch on his passes.

I will admit that post was pretty humorous but if you really believe the above I am shocked because I do not believe that Weeden is not very good at any of three statements above and his pocket presence is terrible. I just think that Hoyer gave us a much better chance of winning games this season.

 

[LordJeffBuck]

I will admit that post was pretty humorous but if you really believe the above I am shocked because I do not believe that Weeden is not very good at any of three statements above and his pocket presence is terrible. I just think that Hoyer gave us a much better chance of winning games this season.

My post was meant to be humorous, but it does sound exactly like every Browns fan who calls in to local sports talk shows. I actually heard one caller state that Hoyer was better at handing the ball off than Weeden.

The fans who are currently canonizing Hoyer are the same ones who claimed that the Browns were tanking the season by playing their third string quarterback, and were ripping on LOLbardi for falling in love with a quarterback who had been cut from four teams in the course of a year.

Hoyer and Weeden are both below average NFL quarterbacks. At least Weeden (unlike Hoyer) has the benefit of possessing physical skills that cannot be taught. Too bad Weeden is already thirty years old, and has little time to learn the mental aspects of the quarterback position.

 

[AKAK]

It's hard for me to be a Browns fan because I can't stand other Browns fans. The Browns just scored 37 points, the most since November 22, 2009, and now are in first place in their division, and Browns fan is PISSED that Brandon Weeden led the team to victory. The Colt McHoyer fanboys really need to grow up and just enjoy a team that has built a championship-level defense, and has three big play threats in Josh Gordon, Jordan Cameron, and Travis Benjamin. The uarterback situation will be resolved next year, and odds are that the starter isn't on the current roster.

Really, I think what everyone should be happy about is that what Hoyer showed is that the Browns can be competitive and *gasp* sometimes win... with merely competent QB play. Having said that, at times Weeden is less than competent. Personally, I think the frustration, and it's legitmate, but, probably needs to have a lot less vehemence is that everyone would have liked to see a larger sample size out of Hoyer... to me, he was clearly limited in some areas, so, the question is more of one where I'd have liked to seen if he could be effective once those limitations were obvious and accounted for by opposing defenses. "The Browns Fan" (I like that by the way, its got some kind of really pejorative feel to it... "Inside of every Browns fan there's an American trying to get out") Anyway, "the Browns Fan" is a creature of irrational, paranoid fears... and I think the hyperbolic praise of Hoyer is partly because the Browns Fan is partly scared that Weeden will do just enough to hang on to his job in the future. I think its also, part of this, "maybe Hoyer is the next Tom Brady" and now the Browns fan will never know.

My guess is Hoyer merely played competently... and the Browns won some games. That's a good thing.

Meanwhile, another good thing... Barkevious Mingo doesn't appear to be completely useless. And, this defense at times looks pretty good, I don't think there's been a game yet where they haven't needed a critical stop in the 4th quarter and gotten it, even the 1st 2 games, the offense just didn't take advantage. One thing is clear, if you have a lead and want to run the ball down their throats to eat clock and with the game, you better tighten up your chin strap, its gonna be tough sledding against this group.

 

[LitlBuck]

My post was meant to be humorous, but it does sound exactly like every Browns fan who calls in to local sports talk shows. I actually heard one caller state that Hoyer was better at handing the ball off than Weeden.

The fans who are currently canonizing Hoyer are the same ones who claimed that the Browns were tanking the season by playing their third string quarterback, and were ripping on LOLbardi for falling in love with a quarterback who had been cut from four teams in the course of a year.

Hoyer and Weeden are both below average NFL quarterbacks. At least Weeden (unlike Hoyer) has the benefit of possessing physical skills that cannot be taught. Too bad Weeden is already thirty years old, and has little time to learn the mental aspects of the quarterback position.

You and I just disagree with regard to Weeden.. The only physical skill that I see in him is his arm strength other than that I do not see much. I do not know if you can teach pocket presence which is almost a must for any NFL quarterback. I suppose reading a defense can be learned over time but he also looks to throw the ball deep almost every time. I also do not know if you could rework his throwing motion over time because it does take him a while to get rid of the ball.. I am not saying that Hoyer is the long-term answer but I thought that he just gave us a better chance of winning this season.

 

[Buckeneye]

Reading a defense can be taught. Processing the information quickly, manipulating the defense with your eyes then making your ABC decision is a combination of mental ability and experience.

A good QB has both. Weeden is slow on his reads and tentative on his throws. At least in the regular season has has been. Having Gordon back and an Oline that at least attempts to block might go a long way to helping him reach his pre-season showing. This team can win games so long as he doesn't turn the ball over.

 

[LitlBuck]

There are a lot of rumors out there about the possibility of a Gordon trade to San Francisco for a second round draft choice. Maybe Lombardi wants to help out his son who works for the 49ers. Note to Lombardi: This would not be a good idea unless someone saw cough syrup in Gordon's locker.

 

[AuTX Buckeye]

There are a lot of rumors out there about the possibility of a Gordon trade to San Francisco for a second round draft choice. Maybe Lombardi wants to help out his son who works for the 49ers. Note to Lombardi: This would not be a good idea unless someone saw cough syrup in Gordon's locker.

Cleveland Being Cleveland.. they've already fucked themselves outta the top spot by having Gordon in the lineup... of course after we start winning some games they trade the only guy worth keeping. I just wish they would have done this after the vikings game ...

 

[bigdog3300]

There are a lot of rumors out there about the possibility of a Gordon trade to San Francisco for a second round draft choice. Maybe Lombardi wants to help out his son who works for the 49ers. Note to Lombardi: This would not be a good idea unless someone saw cough syrup in Gordon's locker.

Only way we can trade him is if the staff feels he hasn't changed. If he hasn't, I completely agree on trading him (although I'd ask for a first). If he hasn't changed it's just too risky to keep him, one even minor mishap with purp/lean/smellsnastybutilldrink it and he's gone for a year and worth nothing.

 

[AuTX Buckeye]

Only way we can trade him is if the staff feels he hasn't changed. If he hasn't, I completely agree on trading him (although I'd ask for a first). If he hasn't changed it's just too risky to keep him, one even minor mishap with purp/lean/smellsnastybutilldrink it and he's gone for a year and worth nothing.

You keep forgetting LOLbardi doesn't want to be shown up... he has repeated said until he was hired by the browns that Gordon was a wasted pick. outside of that I agree with everything

 

[NFBuck]

Most are saying a deal to SF is unlikely, as SF has reservations about giving up a 2nd round pick for a guy with known character issues and drug policy strikes against him. Apparently, they feel okay wethering the storm until Manningham and Crabtree return in a few weeks. Ability and performance wise, a 2nd round pick is a slam dunk, but the personal issues are a roadblock.

 

[bigdog3300]

You keep forgetting LOLbardi doesn't want to be shown up... he has repeated said until he was hired by the browns that Gordon was a wasted pick. outside of that I agree with everything

Can't take what a front office says at face value - they wanted to get his attention and hopefully they have, but those comments could easily be seen as being a public wake up call, not that he was a wasted pick. I realistically don't think Lombardi for a second thought Gordon was a wasted pick, I think he saw a young, still somewhat immature kid that needed to be reminded NFL stands for Not For Long.

 

[exhawg]

You keep forgetting LOLbardi doesn't want to be shown up... he has repeated said until he was hired by the browns that Gordon was a wasted pick. outside of that I agree with everything

I think they could pull off the Richardson trade because he never performed like a first round pick and hasn't improved since they traded him so the trade looks like a great move to get something back on a horrible pick. Gordon has shown to be one of the 2 best offensive threats that the Browns have so they can't really move him during the season and not look like they are tanking. The only way they could look good for trading him is if he fails another drug test this season and gets suspended for a year. Either way they would need a high first or low second rounder for him given that his is one of the few legit #1 WR's in the league.

 

[tsteele316]

this just appears to be the rehashing of the rumor from weeks ago, except the other team in the discussions has surfaced, and some potential proposals have been leaked.

but if SF wasn't willing to part with kendall hunter, a #2 and a #4, then fuck them.

yes gordon is one puff or purple drank from a year long sabbatical, but vincent jackson has been one strike away for about 3 years now. if the browns do deal him, i would guess that it won't be until the offseason.

 

[AKAK]

I think they could pull off the Richardson trade because he never performed like a first round pick and hasn't improved since they traded him so the trade looks like a great move to get something back on a horrible pick. Gordon has shown to be one of the 2 best offensive threats that the Browns have so they can't really move him during the season and not look like they are tanking. The only way they could look good for trading him is if he fails another drug test this season and gets suspended for a year. Either way they would need a high first or low second rounder for him given that his is one of the few legit #1 WR's in the league.

My guess is that The 9ers called... I mean, hey... lolbardi announced he was on the block a while ago... and clearly the price hasn't gone down in the last 3 weeks, so lolbardi answered the phone and was like "Oh, yeah, 2nd rounder sure, except your second rounder might suck, because we figure if we give you Josh Gordon, you're gonna be good, then you get Crabtree back, etc, etc." So, apparently they Alex Smith pick turns from a third to a second if the Chiefs go 8-8 or better (They're 5-0) so, lolbardi says something like, "Ok, we'll take the better pick between the 49ers own 2nd and the Chiefs" and if that's below 20 (which is probably pretty likely) we want a 4th too." Or something like that. And the 9ers are all like, "Hey, he's a cough Syrup Junky that had to enter the supplemental draft because in college he drank babies blood and kicked some Shih Tzus while riding in a car that had some weed in it" And Lolbardi's like, "Hey man, he's down at the Little Sisters of the poor handing out Brownies to homless kids, so, I'm gonna need to do better than that" And the 9ers are like, "Are those homeless kids stoned to the bejesus now?" and lolbardi's like, "I dunno but I am, why don't you send my Nandy Ass-oh-mooga and a 2nd rounder while you're at it?"

Click.