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Cleveland Browns (2012 season)

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AuTX Buckeye;2148011; said:
To those of you who don't hate the Weeden pick... I present you this question... (i stole this from a comment section from WFNY)...Would you rather have a 28 year old rookie QB, who as mentioned above had the best WR to throw to, played in a league with 0 defense, and had a good oline.... verses Matt Flynn, who is 2 years younger, and has NFL experience....

really our only hope at this point is for Goodell to step in a force a sale of the team to an owner who isn't more concerned about his [Mark May]ty premier league team.
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Didn't Flynn's former Offensive coordinator let him go to Seattle?
 
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After sleeping on it I have to stay that I still don't understand what the Browns were doing. The only thing I can think of is that they have no faith in McCoy and think that he was holding back the rest of the offense. To draft a 28 year old QB in the first round means that Weeden is now the starting QB. You don't spend that kind of pick on a 28 year old to have a QB battle. They will say there is a competition, but the job is Weeden's to lose.
We had a lot of talk on here about the Browns needing to do something well. At the time the talk was of drafting Claiborne and having a great secondary. With the Richardson pick the Browns had the opportunity to have a great running game, but that would have involved drafting DiCastro and a RT in the second round i.e. Mike Adams. IMO if you lined those two up with what the Browns already have on the OL you would have one of the top 5 lines in the NFL. Even if they didn't do anything at WR the passing game would have been better because teams would be stacking the box for Richardson and giving Little, MM, Cribbs and Moore man coverage.
I can only hope that H&H see something I don't and Weeden is a great NFL QB for the next 5-8 years, but from my perspective I don't see the management looking at the big picture at least with the Weeden pick. On the bright side they didn't trade the draft for the next 3 years to draft Cam Vick III so at least that is something.
 
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exhawg;2148018; said:
After sleeping on it I have to stay that I still don't understand what the Browns were doing. The only thing I can think of is that they have no faith in McCoy and think that he was holding back the rest of the offense. To draft a 28 year old QB in the first round means that Weeden is now the starting QB. You don't spend that kind of pick on a 28 year old to have a QB battle. They will say there is a competition, but the job is Weeden's to lose.
We had a lot of talk on here about the Browns needing to do something well. At the time the talk was of drafting Claiborne and having a great secondary. With the Richardson pick the Browns had the opportunity to have a great running game, but that would have involved drafting DiCastro and a RT in the second round i.e. Mike Adams. IMO if you lined those two up with what the Browns already have on the OL you would have one of the top 5 lines in the NFL. Even if they didn't do anything at WR the passing game would have been better because teams would be stacking the box for Richardson and giving Little, MM, Cribbs and Moore man coverage.
I can only hope that H&H see something I don't and Weeden is a great NFL QB for the next 5-8 years, but from my perspective I don't see the management looking at the big picture at least with the Weeden pick. On the bright side they didn't trade the draft for the next 3 years to draft Cam Vick III so at least that is something.
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with the way this team drafts... it might not have been such a bad idea in hind sight go for that trade.
 
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AuTX Buckeye;2148026; said:
Do you have any examples of a feature back (not one that splits time) that has been great since 2000 for more than 5 years? I cant think of any ... LT maybe but thats it.
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LT, Jamal Lewis, AP.

shaun alexander was a stud for 8 years. fred taylor lasted forever. MJD is approaching year 5 and isn't slowing down. matt forte is in year 4 and is going to roll for a while as well. 5 years is a myth.
 
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AuTX Buckeye;2148026; said:
Do you have any examples of a feature back (not one that splits time) that has been great since 2000 for more than 5 years? I cant think of any ... LT maybe but thats it.
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Feature backs are dead in the NFL for the simple fact that they can't stay healthy. Elite tackles like Kalil on the other hand, are not dead, and would make a series of 2nd to 3rd round RBs look a lot better on the field.
 
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Buckeye86;2147997; said:
:lol:

Good luck with all that. So you're saying you support trading up to take a RB rather than sitting put and either getting the same exact player or getting the best tackle in the draft? Seriously? Sure he's the best tackle, but kind of overkill when you already have one of the best left tackles in the league. So, you draft the best left tackle and move him to right?Yea, that's gonna help.

and if all that were somehow fucked up (which would be numerically impossible) the best defensive player in the entire draft is still sitting there?

Courtney Brown was the best D player in his draft.


I like how you focused on Blackmon- you're right, that pick at four would have been almost as fucking stupid as what they actually did, but the last time I checked the Cardinals recently made a playoff run thanks to some killer receivers and a way past his prime QB, which is way more than the Browns have even come close to sniffing in the last decade.

What have they done since Warner left?

By the time the Browns get a team together, Richardson is going to be a run down, injury ridden shadow of his former self, even if they somehow miraculously get a team together in two or three years. Once again, look at the Vikings.
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Tavaris Jackson, Old Brett Favre, Old Donovan Mcnabb, Joe Webb, Kelly Holcombe, Brooks Bollinger and Gus Frerotte. That's the reason the Vikings suck, not Peterson.

Richardson will not be the problem in Cleveland.
 
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tsteele316;2148028; said:
LT, Jamal Lewis, AP.

shaun alexander was a stud for 8 years. fred taylor lasted forever. MJD is approaching year 5 and isn't slowing down. matt forte is in year 4 and is going to roll for a while as well. 5 years is a myth.
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AP - Tore his ACL in year 5... since his 2nd year in the league yards have declined

Fred Taylor - played 15 games year 1, then didn't play another full season until year 5, after which he play 16 once, 15 games twice, once he hit 30 he was toast

LT - Stud i'll give you this

Jamal Lewis - After his 2000 yrd season, broke 1100 yrd twice (yeah he broke 1000 4 times but i'm not going to give him credit for 1002 & 1006 yards)

Shaun Alexander - didn't play much his rookie year... but for 5 years he was a stud with over 1100 yards, then fell off the map

MJD - didn't become the feature back until 09 - he's got 3 good years ... jury is still out

Matt Forte - doing well for 4 years but injured his knee last year.. lets see


so when you look at the numbers it not a myth its a fact.. Running backs get the shit beat outta them and dont last long... if you don't by the 5 year rule then you have to acknowledge once they hit 30 they are toast
 
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tsteele316;2148012; said:
you could take out the age and put rg3's name in there and this argument is the same, minus having trent richardson and 2 other 1sts. and by the by, weeden's % of production from blackmon is less than rg3's throwing to wright, or barkley throwing to robert woods.
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It still doesn't make much a difference since he played in the Big 12 where I could have a 60% completion percentage and throw for 4,000 yards in that offense.
 
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Brutus1;2148031; said:
Tavaris Jackson, Old Brett Favre, Old Donovan Mcnabb, Joe Webb, Kelly Holcombe, Brooks Bollinger and Gus Frerotte. That's the reason the Vikings suck, not Peterson.

Richardson will not be the problem in Cleveland.
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if i remember, Old Farve about lead them to the superbowl.... one year atleast
 
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Brutus1;2148031; said:
Tavaris Jackson, Old Brett Favre, Old Donovan Mcnabb, Joe Webb, Kelly Holcombe, Brooks Bollinger and Gus Frerotte. That's the reason the Vikings suck, not Peterson.

Richardson will not be the problem in Cleveland.
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Exactly, and by the time they address the rest of the problems on the team (which they won't because they clearly fucking suck at drafting) Richardson will be a broken down has-been.

2011 Giants leading rusher: 659 yards
2011 Patriots leading rusher: 667 yards

2010 Packers leading rusher: 578 yards
2010 Steelers leading rusher: 1273 yards

2009 Saints leading rusher: 603 yards
2009 Colts leading rusher: 828 yards

2008 Steelers leading rusher: 791
2008 Cardinals leading rusher: 514

2007 Giants leading rusher: 1009
2007 Patriots leading rusher: 835

The feature back is dead in the NFL.

It would be interesting to take it further and see where each Super Bowl team's leading rusher was drafted... but I am out of energy to do that right now. The Steelers drafted Mendenhall late in the first round. He was their leading rusher in 2010, so that is one example of it working out.

Mendenhall is now already on the way out and the Steelers didn't exactly have Browns talent surrounding him in 2010.
 
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