Cleveland Browns (2012 season)

[ysubuck]

Let me get this right because I fell asleep before the pick at 22:

Brandon Weeden? At 22? With the best guard and tackle in the draft there?

A 28 year old QB with no NFL experience is going to start on a team with a shitty OL and an even shittier WR corps, right?

Classic Browns.

 

[bassbuckeye07]

I don't like the pick and all that but what I really want to say is to the fan base.....get a fucking grip I'm sure this middle aged guy will bring us a super bowl now quit your fucking crying

 

[tsteele316]

Let me get this right because I fell asleep before the pick at 22:

Brandon Weeden? At 22? With the best guard and tackle in the draft there?

A 28 year old QB with no NFL experience is going to start on a team with a shitty OL and an even shittier WR corps, right?

Classic Browns.

they still have 3 guys they wanted for RT on the board, one of which will be on the board at 37. they said they caught wind of someone moving up for weeden so they didn't want to take the chance. if they get bobbie massie and a wr today, they did fine.

 

[billmac91]

who would you have taken at #22?

Someone who won't be 29 by the time the season starts.

The good news is this round of management will feel obligated to play Weeden since they took him in the first round. Once he struggles and has no time to develop since he's already 44, the pick will be so embarrassingly bad they'll have no choice but to find a new president/GM.

Maybe they can sign Jake Delhomme to mentor Weeden and start a few games. That seems like a good move....I only wish Delhomme had thrown 30 int's last year. Then he'd be perfect.

 

[billmac91]

they still have 3 guys they wanted for RT on the board, one of which will be on the board at 37. they said they caught wind of someone moving up for weeden so they didn't want to take the chance. if they get bobbie massie and a wr today, they did fine.

I'm so tired of this regime "catching wind" of other teams wanting to move up in front of them for the player they want. They got the guy they wanted in Richardson, but looked stupid doing it even if it was only late round picks.

They look stupid taking a 29 year old at 22.

And they look stupid moving up for Montario Hurtaknee 2 years ago.

I thought the days of idiocy were over (moving up one spot to take Kellen Winslow) but H & H really outdid themselves this year. I have no idea how anyone can defend these guys. They just took a 29 year old rookie QB from a conference that doesn't play defense, had the best receiver in college football, and an offensive system that makes QB's look way more valuable than they are.

Just awful. Can't wait for mediocrity from the QB position for another 4 years while these guys ride him out hoping he becomes something decent. The treadmill of turrrible continues...this franchise sucks.

 

[Buckeye86]

they still have 3 guys they wanted for RT on the board, one of which will be on the board at 37. they said they caught wind of someone moving up for weeden so they didn't want to take the chance. if they get bobbie massie and a wr today, they did fine.

They said that about Richardson as well. Other teams must realize at this point that the Browns are the most gullible fucks in the entire draft and float interest in random players constantly in the hope that the do something fucking stupid- like moving up one spot to draft a RB, AKA the most injured position on the field with an average career of 3 years or less, when the best tackle in the draft, AKA the position that will give you ten years of pro bowl play ala Joe Thomas, would have been gift wrapped for you if your worst fears had come true and someone moved up to three for Richardson.

Is Richardson going to be any better than Peterson? How are the Vikings doing these days?

Oh yeah, and the best defensive player in the draft would have been available at that spot as well AND the best WR in the draft.

Just mind numbingly fucking stupid in my opinion, and that's not even getting into the Wheedon pick.

I don't even like the Brown's that much but I enjoy watching the draft to see what they will do each year, and I am dumbfounded by their first round moves.

 

[tsteele316]

They said that about Richardson as well. Other teams must realize at this point that the Browns are the most gullible fucks in the entire draft and float interest in random players constantly in the hope that the do something fucking stupid- like moving up one spot to draft a RB, AKA the most injured position on the field with an average career of 3 years or less, when the best tackle in the draft, AKA the position that will give you ten years of pro bowl play ala Joe Thomas, would have been gift wrapped for you if your worst fears had come true and someone moved up to three for Richardson.

Is Richardson going to be any better than Peterson? How are the Vikings doing these days?

Oh yeah, and the best defensive player in the draft would have been available at that spot as well AND the best WR in the draft.

Just mind numbingly fucking stupid in my opinion, and that's not even getting into the Wheedon pick.

I don't even like the Brown's that much but I enjoy watching the draft to see what they will do each year, and I am dumbfounded by their first round moves.

well, the actual insider page on the OBR cofirms there were legit trade talks for both, so cleveland is obviously smarter than you think. trent richardson is inarguably the best non qb in the draft.

by the by justin blackmon is not worth a top 5 pick in the least. but using this logic, how is arizona doing these days with fitzgerald?

 

[Buckeye86]

well, the actual insider page on the OBR cofirms there were legit trade talks for both, so cleveland is obviously smarter than you think. trent richardson is inarguably the best non qb in the draft.

by the by justin blackmon is not worth a top 5 pick in the least. but using this logic, how is arizona doing these days with fitzgerald?

Good luck with all that. So you're saying you support trading up to take a RB rather than sitting put and either getting the same exact player or getting the best tackle in the draft? and if all that were somehow fucked up (which would be numerically impossible) the best defensive player in the entire draft is still sitting there?

I like how you focused on Blackmon- you're right, that pick at four would have been almost as fucking stupid as what they actually did, but the last time I checked the Cardinals recently made a playoff run thanks to some killer receivers and a way past his prime QB, which is way more than the Browns have even come close to sniffing in the last decade.

By the time the Browns get a team together, Richardson is going to be a run down, injury ridden shadow of his former self, even if they somehow miraculously get a team together in two or three years. Once again, look at the Vikings.

 

[BearBuck27]

Gotta go with Martin, Massie, or Glenn at 37. One of those will definitely be there. I really wish we would have taken Reiff at 22, but it is what it is. I really wish they could have gone With David or Hill at 37, and waited for quarterback next year, when we're going to be one of the worst NFL teams next year and drafted an elite qb prospect at a regular age, but it is what it is I guess. I think they go receiver with the 3rd rounder, LB 4th round.

 

[tsteele316]

Good luck with all that. So you're saying you support trading up to take a RB rather than sitting put and either getting the same exact player or getting the best tackle in the draft? and if all that were somehow fucked up (which would be numerically impossible) the best defensive player in the entire draft is still sitting there?

I like how you focused on Blackmon- you're right, that pick at four would have been almost as fucking stupid as what they actually did, but the last time I checked the Cardinals recently made a playoff run thanks to some killer receivers and a way past his prime QB, which is way more than the Browns have even come close to sniffing in the last decade.

By the time the Browns get a team together, Richardson is going to be a run down, injury ridden shadow of his former self, even if they somehow miraculously get a team together in two or three years. Once again, look at the Vikings.

the cardinals would kill for kurt warner back. he made that team, not the other way around. tampa or the rams were moving up to #3 if cleveland didn't. can't get any more clear than that. the browns gave up filler picks in the back of the draft to get the best non qb in the draft. plain and simple.

 

[ArmyVet83]

who would you have taken at #22?

I'm not Bill either....BUT...I would have taken DiCastro. Maybe the best OG since Hutchison. Barring injuries a certain 10 year starter and, if the game is not suspended, a multiple Pro-Bowler.

Butt fuck, leave it to the Browns to pass on him and the Stillers pick the motherfucker and he's going to kick our asses and eat our lunch in the same afternoon every Sunday we play them for the next 10 fucking years.

Randy, fuck you. Holmgren, fuck you and the rest of the front office that allowed this to happen, burn in hell. It's a band-aid on a sucking chest wound and those idiots keep on putting that damn thing on thinking it will hold.

I am with Bill on this one. I could complete a better draft in my sleep at a fraction of the cost. Don't give me the headaches of the everyday operations, bring me in as a consultant after the season has ended and my sole purposes in life is to tackle FA and put together an ass-kicking draft to make the Browns fans happy and guess what Randy, the money you would save bringing me is for a 4-6 month stint every year, you could spend on a half-decent FA instead of Frostee "Fucking" Rucker.

My apoligies to the board ahead of time but that pick at 22 finally pushed be overboard and I snapped.

Should have seen the look on my wife's face when I reacted the way I did after the Weed pick. Classic!!.

I am truly scared to watch what happens over the next three days.

 

[Buckeye86]

the browns gave up filler picks in the back of the draft to get the best non qb in the draft. plain and simple.

I don't disagree that it will be fun to watch the best non-QB in the draft run for the several games that he is healthy each year until he is totally broken down in 3-4 years and the Browns are still trying to put together a half decent team around him. No worries though, Weeden will be in his mid-thirties by then, I am sure he will be hitting his prime and can carry the team.

 

[AuTX Buckeye]

To those of you who don't hate the Weeden pick... I present you this question... (i stole this from a comment section from WFNY)...Would you rather have a 28 year old rookie QB, who as mentioned above had the best WR to throw to, played in a league with 0 defense, and had a good oline.... verses Matt Flynn, who is 2 years younger, and has NFL experience....

really our only hope at this point is for Goodell to step in a force a sale of the team to an owner who isn't more concerned about his [Mark May]ty premier league team.

 

[tsteele316]

To those of you who don't hate the Weeden pick... I present you this question... (i stole this from a comment section from WFNY)...Would you rather have a 28 year old rookie QB, who as mentioned above had the best WR to throw to, played in a league with 0 defense, and had a good oline.... verse Matt Flynn, who is 2 years younger, and has NFL experience....

you could take out the age and put rg3's name in there and this argument is the same, minus having trent richardson and 2 other 1sts. and by the by, weeden's % of production from blackmon is less than rg3's throwing to wright, or barkley throwing to robert woods.

 

[tsteele316]

I don't disagree that it will be fun to watch the best non-QB in the draft run for the several games that he is healthy each year until he is totally broken down in 3-4 years and the Browns are still trying to put together a half decent team around him. No worries though, Weeden will be in his mid-thirties by then, I am sure he will be hitting his prime and can carry the team.

the rb longevity argument is a copout.