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Cleveland Browns (2012 season)

BTW an interesting tidbit from Sunday's paper...Bud Shaw said that Shurmur has a very annoying habit of e-mailing or even calling commentators and columnists who are critical of him, just to bitch at them. Funny he has time for that and not to become less of a clueless dickbag of a coach.
 
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His post game presser comments were absolutely shameful. Throwing players specifically under the bus to try to compensate for his lack of coaching ability. Haslam knows what Shurmur is and what he isn't. This just shows how desperate he is at this point to try to save any little bit of credibility he has.
 
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Big Papa;2230277; said:
His post game presser comments were absolutely shameful. Throwing players specifically under the bus to try to compensate for his lack of coaching ability. Haslam knows what Shurmur is and what he isn't. This just shows how desperate he is at this point to try to save any little bit of credibility he has.

I missed his post-game...who did he toss under the bus? I'd like to know, because I failed to see any player make more mistakes than the coach did Sunday...
 
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Bucklion;2230279; said:
I missed his post-game...who did he toss under the bus? I'd like to know, because I failed to see any player make more mistakes than the coach did Sunday...

He specifically bashed Weeden and said that the press needs to stop with the "Rookie excuses." He also called out Josh specifically for his fumble. Now a coach should hammer his players for their screw ups, but do it in the locker room and not in front of the press. When a coach does this in front of the press it just looks like he is trying to desperately cover his butt.
 
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Big Papa;2230285; said:
He specifically bashed Weeden and said that the press needs to stop with the "Rookie excuses." He also called out Josh specifically for his fumble. Now a coach should hammer his players for their screw ups, but do it in the locker room and not in front of the press. When a coach does this in front of the press it just looks like he is trying to desperately cover his butt.

Oh for fuck's sake. I have been as hard on Weeden as anyone here, but I didn't see a tragically awful performance like week 1. He threw a couple of nice passes to Gordon, he made some decent decisions...the interception that turned the game was atrocious, but it was one play. As for Cribbs, he busted his ass to get good field position several times after that, whether it was just a few extra yards or that big KO return. If Weeden doesn't get the "rookie" excuses, then what excuses is Shurmur giving up? Because he seems to use them all and invent new ones. Worst. Coach. Ever.
 
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That was as big a leadership failure as I've ever seen/heard. Just when you think the guy can't lose anymore credibility, he opens his piehole and makes an even bigger ass of himself. I've never seen a worse coach on any level. He should be fired immediately for that shameful display.

Like I said last week...can his ass, make Jauron interim, and open the vault for Chuckie in January.
 
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NFBuck;2230290; said:
That was as big a leadership failure as I've ever seen/heard. Just when you think the guy can't lose anymore credibility, he opens his piehole and makes an even bigger ass of himself. I've never seen a worse coach on any level. He should be fired immediately for that display.

gone by week 10!
 
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Well said fellas, agree completely. I thought I couldn't have disliked Shurmur anymore than after his comments about not having time for the players to watch the Cleveland 95 special, but I actually found that I still have more room to dislike him after today's comments. I think he has another presser this afternoon coming up, we'll see if he has changed his tone any since yesterday. I know emotions can run high after a disappointing loss like that (and the 10 previous ones.)

Not sure if Gruden will be willing to leave his cushy, well paid, TV gig to come to this mess, but I am sure there is someone out there better suited to be an NFL coach than this clown. Haslam will clean house, just not sure when. Doing it mid-season would seem to just make a tough situation tougher for the players, but maybe they would welcome it. Not sure, I just know this regime has to go before next season.
 
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Big Papa;2230311; said:
Well said fellas, agree completely. I thought I couldn't have disliked Shurmur anymore than after his comments about not having time for the players to watch the Cleveland 95 special, but I actually found that I still have more room to dislike him after today's comments. I think he has another presser this afternoon coming up, we'll see if he has changed his tone any since yesterday. I know emotions can run high after a disappointing loss like that (and the 10 previous ones.)

Not sure if Gruden will be willing to leave his cushy, well paid, TV gig to come to this mess, but I am sure there is someone out there better suited to be an NFL coach than this clown. Haslam will clean house, just not sure when. Doing it mid-season would seem to just make a tough situation tougher for the players, but maybe they would welcome it. Not sure, I just know this regime has to go before next season.

If Haslam is serious about changing things Shurmur will be gone the week after he's confirmed.

Holmgren and all the rest of the upper management will go after the first of the year.
 
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Mike80;2230320; said:
If Haslam is serious about changing things Shurmur will be gone the week after he's confirmed.

Holmgren and all the rest of the upper management will go after the first of the year.

Maybe, just not sure what that helps or solves. This season is basically lost...again. Making a mid-season coaching change just adds more drama to a very young team. I mean bringing in an interim coach is not going to save the season and they are not going to junk this ridiculous West Coast system mid-season and develop a whole new play book. To me the entire philosophy of the organization needs changed, and that is not something that can be fixed over night or mid-season.
 
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Big Papa;2230311; said:
Not sure if Gruden will be willing to leave his cushy, well paid, TV gig to come to this mess, but I am sure there is someone out there better suited to be an NFL coach than this clown. Haslam will clean house, just not sure when. Doing it mid-season would seem to just make a tough situation tougher for the players, but maybe they would welcome it. Not sure, I just know this regime has to go before next season.

Most coaches are competitive freaks by nature. You can tell on television, Gruden loves the game and loves working with football players. It's very rare that relatively young coaches that are in demand stay away from the game by choice. Madden being the only example I can think of off the top of my head. Gruden was a Browns fan growing up, is an Ohio guy, and understands and appreciates the tradition this franchise has. Throw a good chunk of cash at him, and I'd be surprised if he turned it down. One sticking point might be how much control he would want and how much Haslam would want him to have. But, he's a helluva coach, and has a personality molded for NE Ohio.
 
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Mike80;2230320; said:
If Haslam is serious about changing things Shurmur will be gone the week after he's confirmed.

Holmgren and all the rest of the upper management will go after the first of the year.

Not disagreeing with any of this but, some headscratching decisions are starting to make a lot of sense. Well, as much sense as it can make in Brownsland.

First thing is, I'm wondering how Long Randy Lerner has known he was going to sell the team as soon as the 10 year AL Lerner Moratorium (what the hell was that anyway?), or whatever it was expired. More important, how long has Holmgren known, and what was he instructed to do as a result as of the planned sale. My guess is around the draft or just after the draft last year. I don't know that I've ever seen a team do any less in FA than this one. And I'm not even talking about getting big named guys... its to the point that they're getting guys at only the (comparative in Browns terms) most needed backstop positions. I mean is there any way they felt that good about all 15 or whatever rookies coming into the season?

And it may have been as early as hiring Shurmur, in the sense that its a you've got nothing to lose type hire, and maybe the guy is a genius and you hit a home run...

But having said that, it might explain why they've done everything possible to develop young talent and on the other hand, leave as much cap space as possible for the incoming owner to be able to have the flexibility to make an impact. (ie using the fact that they don't have to be at the 90& floor in a particular season) I think they're probably in the ballpark of 40 milion under for '13 and the biggest name (as usual) is probably Phil Dawson.

I mean, if I were gonna buy a bad team, I'd at least want room to make a difference... and as many young restrictable guys on the roster as possible. Much better than buying a 6 and 10 team that's gonna be 10 million over the cap. I'm sure those are out there.

It kind of is building for the future, so you can make the team more attractive, and let the next guy spend his money as he sees fit. (Who the hell knows how long Haslem has been the guy, and he want to pay X amount of money based on XYZ)

I think it sort of expains why they burned the extra picks to get Richardson when the might not have had to (they felt like they had to get him) and why they pulled th trigger on Weeden, you knew McCoy isnt a franchise guy, so, why not give it a shot that you might have one (though I think the framework was worked out before we knew much about Weeden)

Now, the lack of FA going into '12 might have been partly due to the labor situtaion, etc, but, I really think that they were even planning for this back then, and if any of the stories of Lerner "interfering" were based on some kind of guidlines to make the team look a certain way going into this season.

At any rate, I think this was a long time coming and the moves have mirrored it for some time, they got to hide behind the labor situation last year a bit, but, I think it explains a lot and, if some of these unknown first and second year guys pan out when they otherwise might not have gotten a shot, it might be good in the very near future.
 
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AKAK;2230421; said:
Not disagreeing with any of this but, some headscratching decisions are starting to make a lot of sense. Well, as much sense as it can make in Brownsland.
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That's a pretty big conspiracy theory that are throwing out that I am sure that as soon as tsteele sees it, he will jump on it:wink:

I don't know if Lerner knew he was going to sell the team or not. I don't know of many Jimmy Haslam's out there that want to spend their money on a losing football team. However, I guess only Lerner can answer that question.

For some reason, I thought that NFL teams had spend 90% of their total cap space this year under the new CBA. I guess I must have misinterpreted that.

I have been a proponent of bringing in some quality free agents almost every year. You can build partially through the draft but it will take a long time for this team to really be competitive trying to build through the draft. I don't think that Haslam as the patience to build through the draft and we have too many holes to fix and things have to get better a lot faster or they never will get any better.
 
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We have too many holes to fill them thru free agency... players would command too much... and be too old/too far along in their careers.. to integrate all of them into a unit that would be a serious contender before their diminished skills are glaring

we're in deep do...

we need to hit a couple drafts like the Steelers of old.. who used to find studs in the 14th round... and end up with 12 starters & 3 All Pros in one draft.. only semi-kidding font

but dang.. what I wouldn't do for ONE WR worth a [Mark May]
 
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