Cleveland Browns (2007 & prior)

[schwab]

under the current rules, a coach can call a time-out from the sidelines though, so theres nothing alleged about it

If there was a rule stating a time-out had to be called by a player on the field, and the officials granted timeouts to the coaches w/o getting them from a player, the timeouts would be allegedly

As they currently are however, the timeouts weren't alleged, they were factual, and the kicks after the alleged timeouts were choke jobs

OK, so we've gotten this far....do you want an alleged cookie or something?

Change the fucking rule.

 

[billmac91]

OK, so we've gotten this far....do you want an alleged cookie or something?

Change the fucking rule.

No I don't want a cookie at all....I just think it's silly to pin the outcomes of these games on a rule that allows coaches to call a TO from the sideline....truthfully, today it made no difference at all b/c Lane Kiffin called the TO well beofre the snap, but the Browns made the snap and kicked it for practice anyways

Anyways, icing the kicker has been around forever, I just don't think, we as Browns fans or last week as Oakland fans, should blame a rule on these missed kicks

If Phil doesn't over-think the kick and just takes it as he normally would, or Sebastian (who has a way bigger beef than Phil b/c the snap was almost instantaneous with the whistle) act like professionals and do their job it would make no difference at all

 

[osugrad21]

DDN

Culpepper Helps Raiders to Their 1st Win

By JOSH DUBOW
AP Sports Writer
OAKLAND, Calif. ? Lane Kiffin showed he's a quick learner at NFL coaching strategy.
A week after a late timeout wiped out Sebastian Janikowski's game-winning kick for Oakland, Kiffin successfully used the same strategy to help the Raiders beat the Cleveland Browns 26-24 Sunday when Tommy Kelly blocked Phil Dawson's last-second field goal attempt.



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[osugrad21]

ABJ

Game ends with thud Last-second field goal blocked as Browns stumble, bumble
By Marla Ridenour Beacon Journal sportswriter
Published on Monday, Sep 24, 2007
OAKLAND, CALIF.: As poorly as they performed, as many penalties as they committed, as many rushing yards as they allowed, the salve for the Browns' wounds was right within their grasp.
All they had to do was execute one play. Just help Phil Dawson connect on a 40-yard field goal off the dirt as time expired Sunday at McAfee Coliseum.
Of course, it wasn't that easy.



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[osugrad21]

ABJ

Game leaves Crennel disgusted, players angry Mistakes show team not ready for Raiders
Published on Monday, Sep 24, 2007
OAKLAND, CALIF.: The Football for Dummies manual no doubt covers the topic.
To win games, teams must stop the run.
It's not a complicated idea, really, but the Browns didn't do it Sunday and haven't done it all season. It has taken a historic offensive game to give them one win.



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[osugrad21]

ABJ

Browns notebook
Cribbs shows he has Pro Bowl potential Browns return specialist takes kickoff 99 yards for touchdown in loss
By Marla Ridenour Beacon Journal sportswriter
Published on Monday, Sep 24, 2007
OAKLAND, CALIF.: The season might be only three games old, but Joshua Cribbs stated his case to be the Browns' first Pro Bowler in five years in a 26-24 loss to the Oakland Raiders on Sunday.



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[osugrad21]

Canton

Lack of focus leads to latest painful defeat
Monday, September 24, 2007
SPORTS SPOTLIGHT
TODD PORTER

OAKLAND, CALIF.

A middle-aged man wearing a faded, belly-protruding No. 47 Tyrone Wheatley jersey welcomed Raiders owner Al Davis to McAfee Coliseum early Sunday morning.

Mr. No. 47 began yelling, "King Al! King Al! King Al is here. Welcome the GAWDFATHER! KING AL!"

The godfather? Davis' Raiders have been more Paulie Walnuts than Don Corleone.

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[osugrad21]

Canton

Anderson's mistakes prove costly in defeat
Monday, September 24, 2007
By Todd Porter
REPOSITORY SPORTS WRITER

OAKLAND, CALIF. In the final minute Sunday afternoon, Derek Anderson did all he could to wipe clean a slate littered with mistakes.

At the end a heartbreaking 26-24 loss, Anderson fessed up to playing poorly, pressing to make plays and playing a key role in losing to Oakland. The Browns quarterback went from the toast of the town last week to just toasted.


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[osugrad21]

Canton

Crennel's take: 'We weren't very good'
Monday, September 24, 2007
By STEVE DOERSCHUK

OAKLAND, CALIF. The Browns started poorly against Cincinnati, but nothing like Sunday in "The Black Hole."

On their first series, they followed a second-and-34 with a delay penalty that made it second-and-39, leading to a third-and-40.

The game got good later, but at that moment, Head Coach Romeo Crennel didn't have any good third-and-40 plays.


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[osugrad21]

Canton

Kick in the gut for Browns
Monday, September 24, 2007
By STEVE DOERSCHUK

OAKLAND, CALIF. The blocked field goal that sealed the Browns' 26-24 loss to Oakland wasn't the unkindest kick of all.

Yes, their chance to be 2-1 blew up when 6-foot-6 lineman Tommy Kelly batted down a potential game-winning 40-yard field goal as time expired.

The Browns' bigger hurt came from kicking themselves in the teeth during a timid first half in "The Black Hole."

"We've got to worry about kicking tail early in the game," wideout Joe Jurevicius said.


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[kippy1040]

If Romeo can't turn it around this year. Then why not bring back "Marty Ball" and bring in Bernie Kosar as a Player Personal Director for starters. Schotinheimer still is a good coach and I don't think he would mind coming back to Cleveland.

 

[Big Papa]

Can't agree with you on this one Papa. Kickers in the NFL have been up against this for years and years and they should be pros enough to make two kicks in a row and even more.

I don't think that there has been many examples of this in the past where the coach is in the ear of the official and waits until just before the ball is snapped to take the TO, I could be wrong, but if this has been the usual, not sure why this is getting so much national attention. I was listening to Mike and Mike this morning and Mike Ditka was on and they were talking about this game and Ditka made a great point in that this kind of thing is "not in the spirit of the game." He also said the same thing that Schwab said, that TO's should only be called by players on the field and they should only be made to the Head Official.

 

[Mike80]

I don't think that there has been many examples of this in the past where the coach is in the ear of the official and waits until just before the ball is snapped to take the TO, I could be wrong, but if this has been the usual, not sure why this is getting so much national attention. I was listening to Mike and Mike this morning and Mike Ditka was on and they were talking about this game and Ditka made a great point in that this kind of thing is "not in the spirit of the game." He also said the same thing that Schwab said, that TO's should only be called by players on the field and they should only be made to the Head Official.

They have this debate every season because some coach will do this right as a snap is occurring and the kicker will make it.

I personally think the coaches shouldn't be able to call TOs in the pros, but doing it in the NCAA isn't really a big deal.

However freezing a kicker has been around as long as the game has been played. Some coaches have done it for years now and some never have.

 

[Best Buckeye]

However freezing a kicker has been around as long as the game has been played. Some coaches have done it for years now and some never have.

Yeah what Mike said!
Besides Mike and MIke live off of controversy and they are just a couple of talking head whiners.

 

[Big Papa]

They have this debate every season because some coach will do this right as a snap is occurring and the kicker will make it.

I personally think the coaches shouldn't be able to call TOs in the pros, but doing it in the NCAA isn't really a big deal.

However freezing a kicker has been around as long as the game has been played. Some coaches have done it for years now and some never have.

Agree, freezing happens, and happens all the time. But this waiting until the very last second to make sure that the opposing team has to kick twice, is not nearly as frequent.