Cleveland Browns (2007 & prior)

[Mike80]

I know for a fact that Lerner has begun to request input on whether it's a good idea to put feelers out for a new head coach

It certainly makes no sense to change head coaches during the middle of the year IMO unless that coach, is your next head coach

RAC needs to finish the year out, and be replaced w/ a solid, football savy, Head Coach

The thing that pisses me off about the coaches, and Crennel mostly, is the lack of football knowledge...today is a perfect example. Why not use your last timeout with 2:12 left on the clock? They wasted 12 seconds by not taking that timeout. You'd think to be an NFL head coach, you'd have a full understanding of the game and be able to see things most causal obeservers wouldn't, but I don't get that feeling w/ Romeo

Against Pittsburgh he challenged a fumble by Anderson that was already a backwards thrown pass.....even if the referees decided it was the tuck rule, the ball went backwards so it's a fumble...things like that drive me crazy.

Get someone in here who can differentiate their ass from their elbow.

You know, speaking to your "football saavy coach" comment, and I really hesitate to say it, but maybe the Browns should bring back Marty Schottenheimer........maybe??

Sure the Browns probably wouldn't win the Super Bowl with him, but he, at least, knows how to build a team and probably has enough respect within the fan base and Front Office to get the leeway to build the team his way....

Maybe....

I don't know...

What I do know is that the Browns need to hire a PROVEN coach, not just an experiment or a former coordinator who hasn't been a HC on the NFL level.

 

[CleveBucks]

Crennel not taking a timeout at 2:12 was puzzling for sure. That would have saved 6 seconds (the next timeout came at 1:54, instead of clock stopping at 2 minute warning). That would've been good for one more play, and who knows.

If you want to talk about horrible draft picks, how can you not mention Travis Wilson? A third rounder who can't even sniff the field on special teams? Absolutely a waste of a pick.

This D can't do anything without the right personnel up front. And this DL is horrible.

Picking Quinn was the right decision, because I don't see any better QB's available high in the draft next year... unless they go with another Kentucky QB in Woodson. Puke. Plus you're getting a top 5 talent and paying him top 20 money. And we all know the Browns love to pinch pennies.

 

[billmac91]

In reply to some of the comments on this page:

Yes, Quinn is worth the high draft pick we are giving up this year. In addition to the one year of experience, what QB in this year's class has the credentials he has? Yeah, he played for ND and all that, but he did run a pro style offense, played in a high pressure atmosphere, and made those around him better. I have said since before the season he will start after the bye week. I still stand by that.

As to the DB's, Wright is being exposed for the rookie he is. I think they made a huge mistake letting Russell go during the offseason. I also believe they do not let the CB's play true cover defense.

Grantham needs to put up or shut up this year. He was the standout coach on the staff the past few years because his defense was better than the offense. Of course, how much is that truly saying?

Russell sucked...we picked him up after he was a backup in Minnesota...basically, we inserted a back-up safety at minnesota (who at that time didn't have a good secondary) into our secondary

Anyone who makes that ridiculous claim, including Doug "Decon?" Jones who said that same thing on the radio is on crack

this defense needs a pass rush, and players who are fast enough to cover receivers when the pass rush doesn't get pressure

I agree this secondary is weak, but it would have taken more than Brian Russell and his horrible cover skills to make a difference

We're stacked with hitters in the secondary, not cover corners or cover safeties....Brian Russell would not have helped that

 

[NFBuck]

Grantham needs to put up or shut up this year. He was the standout coach on the staff the past few years because his defense was better than the offense. Of course, how much is that truly saying?

Nothing.

 

[billmac91]

Crennel not taking a timeout at 2:12 was puzzling for sure. That would have saved 6 seconds (the next timeout came at 1:54, instead of clock stopping at 2 minute warning). That would've been good for one more play, and who knows.

If you want to talk about horrible draft picks, how can you not mention Travis Wilson? A third rounder who can't even sniff the field on special teams? Absolutely a waste of a pick.

This D can't do anything without the right personnel up front. And this DL is horrible.

Picking Quinn was the right decision, because I don't see any better QB's available high in the draft next year... unless they go with another Kentucky QB in Woodson. Puke. Plus you're getting a top 5 talent and paying him top 20 money. And we all know the Browns love to pinch pennies.

We've acquired talent for sure, but why people continually accept the Brady Quinn trade is beyond me....how do we know thatw as the right move??

I'd be willing to bet, had we used that second first round choice on a DT or DE we could have won today and be sitting at 2-1.....better yet, we'd be in position to have a great pick next year for whatever need we decide to fill

It's no promise we would ahve taken a QB so the comparsion of Brady to next years top QB choices is kind of pointless to me....plus, at least Andre Woodson wins with average talent around him, rather than lose with good talent

I'd challenge anyone who thinks Brady Quinn was worth the trade, put in the game tape of OSU/ND, LSU/ND, or USC/ND both junior and senior seasons

I am impressed w/ the o-line....its exciting how much time they've given Derek Anderson....I think the biggest difference between a good NFL QB and a career backup is consistency and Derek showed that again today

It's like my goldf game, I can go out and shoot high 70's or go out and shoot id 90's...I don't know, it just depends on the day

Against a bad D and having a great rythum Derek was able to have a great day against Cincy but he struggled badly today against Oakland, he shot a
93

 

[Big Papa]

Give it up for Oakland, at least you can't say that they don't learn their lessons. They did to us EXACTLY what Denver just did to them. Amen, Lane Kiffin, you may just do okay for yourself. Romeo, Romeo....where for art thou next year, Romeo?

That fucking rule needs changed. I thought it was shitty when it happened to the Raiders last week and think it's shittier now. I don't blame Kiffin for doing it, I would have too. I just think it's shitty that you can force a kicker to kick the ball twice for a game winner. Especially Dawson, he's lucky to get one 40 yarder through, let alone 2.

 

[Best Buckeye]

That fucking rule needs changed. I thought it was shitty when it happened to the Raiders last week and think it's shittier now. I don't blame Kiffin for doing it, I would have too. I just think it's shitty that you can force a kicker to kick the ball twice for a game winner. Especially Dawson, he's lucky to get one 40 yarder through, let alone 2.

Can't agree with you on this one Papa. Kickers in the NFL have been up against this for years and years and they should be pros enough to make two kicks in a row and even more.

 

[billmac91]

when Dawson made it the first time I had a feeling we were scewed...Sebastian made his first last weekend and missed the sond....plus. Dawson knew his kick didn't mean shit the first time, the whistle was blown before the snap even, he just decided to get the practice

Scew Phil for taking a practice kick, making it the first time, and taking that same, slow ass approach to the ball to make sure he'd make it like he was practicing pre-game

I know the blocking wasn't great, but Phil didn't get to that ball as fast as he should ahve either

It amazes me, that as well as Josh Houston kicked for the giants in the pre-season that he doesn't have a team right now

 

[Buckin' A]

I'm just pissed that I paid Directv $49.99 simply to watch this one game. Truth be told though, it isn't the first or the last time that I'll be kicked in the nuts as a Browns fan...and my dumb ass would do it again next week.

 

[jlb1705]

As a Browns fan, I expect the team to lose, and I expect it to happen in some humiliating or heartbreaking fashion. The thing that's disappointing about this game is that they lost in a manner that completely lacked originality. When I think of the Cleveland Browns, I think of a team that INVENTS new ways to lose - that's not the team I saw today. Where was the Dwayne Rudd helmet toss? Where was the blocked FG on 3rd down that landed behind the line of scrimmage, giving the other team another chance to successfully kick a game-losing FG on 4th down?

 

[NFBuck]

As a Browns fan, I expect the team to lose, and I expect it to happen in some humiliating or heartbreaking fashion. The thing that's disappointing about this game is that they lost in a manner that completely lacked originality. When I think of the Cleveland Browns, I think of a team that INVENTS new ways to lose - that's not the team I saw today. Where was the Dwayne Rudd helmet toss? Where was the blocked FG on 3rd down that landed behind the line of scrimmage, giving the other team another chance to successfully kick a game-losing FG on 4th down?

Keep the faith jlb, only 3 games in. I'm sure there will be at least 3-4 humiliating defeats coming up.

 

[schwab]

As a Browns fan, I expect the team to lose, and I expect it to happen in some humiliating or heartbreaking fashion. The thing that's disappointing about this game is that they lost in a manner that completely lacked originality. When I think of the Cleveland Browns, I think of a team that INVENTS new ways to lose - that's not the team I saw today. Where was the Dwayne Rudd helmet toss? Where was the blocked FG on 3rd down that landed behind the line of scrimmage, giving the other team another chance to successfully kick a game-losing FG on 4th down?

Here's a new one...we got beat on a missed last-second field goal attempt after a timeout in which before hand we had made the same field goal, but the other team had (allegedly) called a timeout. Got beat by a team that the week before got beat on a last-second field goal attempt after a timeout in which before hand had made the same field goal, but the other team had (allegedly) called a timeout.

Sounds original to me.:(

 

[billmac91]

Here's a new one...we got beat on a missed last-second field goal attempt after a timeout in which before hand we had made the same field goal, but the other team had (allegedly) called a timeout. Got beat by a team that the week before got beat on a last-second field goal attempt after a timeout in which before hand had made the same field goal, but the other team had (allegedly) called a timeout.

Sounds original to me.:(

I don't understand the (allegedly) part....both were time-outs called within the rules of football, and also called before the snap of the play

What's alleged about either of them?.......the Browns and Raiders have no one to fault but themselves for not executing those field goals at the end of a game

 

[schwab]

I don't understand the (allegedly) part....both were time-outs called within the rules of football, and also called before the snap of the play

What's alleged about either of them?.......the Browns and Raiders have no one to fault but themselves for not executing those field goals at the end of a game

The (allegedly) part refers to the part that the timeouts were not called on the field by the players, at least as far as I could tell. I hate the rule that a coach can get in the ref's ear before the players get lined up to tell him that they are gonna call a timeout before the ball is snapped. I believe that a player should be responsible for calling that timeout, and if he is too late in calling it, then the play would stand, the field goal is good, and the game is over. I believe in icing the kicker, but not by calling a timeout AS the ball is snapped. In both cases, this weekend and last weekend, I think the rule was exposed. It's just plain a horrible rule.

 

[billmac91]

The (allegedly) part refers to the part that the timeouts were not called on the field by the players, at least as far as I could tell. I hate the rule that a coach can get in the ref's ear before the players get lined up to tell him that they are gonna call a timeout before the ball is snapped. I believe that a player should be responsible for calling that timeout, and if he is too late in calling it, then the play would stand, the field goal is good, and the game is over. I believe in icing the kicker, but not by calling a timeout AS the ball is snapped. In both cases, this weekend and last weekend, I think the rule was exposed. It's just plain a horrible rule.

under the current rules, a coach can call a time-out from the sidelines though, so theres nothing alleged about it

If there was a rule stating a time-out had to be called by a player on the field, and the officials granted timeouts to the coaches w/o getting them from a player, the timeouts would be allegedly

As they currently are however, the timeouts weren't alleged, they were factual, and the kicks after the alleged timeouts were choke jobs