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Cleveland Browns (2007 & prior)

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Charlie will be having the last laugh on this one. It is the best possible thing to happen for him. He gets paid without having his ass pounded into the ground every week. Plus, He gets to play for a legitimate franchise with a legitimate coaching staff and not one that is going nowhere fast.
 
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lvbuckeye;926727; said:
watch Holmgren turn him into a pro bowler.

a QB can't make good decisions when he's always looking over his shoulder...
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Maybe, but a pro bowler doesn't get sacked when he holds the ball for ten seconds even though the play calls for a three step drop. I was as happy as any Browns fan when we drafted Charlie. Hell, I thought it was a steal that we got him when we did, and I figured he would turn into a decent starter.

Boy, was I wrong. He sucks something awful.
 
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Smooth Olaf;926739; said:
Maybe, but a pro bowler doesn't get sacked when he holds the ball for ten seconds even though the play calls for a three step drop. I was as happy as any Browns fan when we drafted Charlie. Hell, I thought it was a steal that we got him when we did, and I figured he would turn into a decent starter.

Boy, was I wrong. He sucks something awful.
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I was the same way. I was pissed when they did not take him in the 2nd Round. I was one of the guys clamoring for him to start as a Rookie in the 1st game of the season too. Look how that turned out. His decision making is just awful. He is just not an NFL QB, plain and simple.
 
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Big Papa;926724; said:
Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out Charlie. I have never seen an NFL QB be so slow at making reads. He had to go.
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did you ever see vick play? horrible at reads.. he would check to his #1 and maybe give crumpler a look and then he would take off.

but damn what i wouldnt give to have a chance at winning more then 4 games this year... lol
 
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I might be getting my years mixed up a little boat wasn't there a big rumor that if Charlie had not been picked by the Browns that Green Bay would have selected him. Holmgren's influence could have still been with the Packers. Just a thought.
 
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Ginn4Heisman;926761; said:
did you ever see vick play? horrible at reads.. he would check to his #1 and maybe give crumpler a look and then he would take off.

but damn what i wouldnt give to have a chance at winning more then 4 games this year... lol
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you cant compare vick to frye. vick had an (inaccurate) cannon of an arm, plus he had NFL wide-out speed.

plus, vick sucked too :tongue2:
 
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Some thoughts...

1. Haha. I called it on the Frye trade. "The first half of the season will be to see what we can get for Frye or Anderson." 6th round pick isn't bad though, better than what we gave up for Dorsey IIRC.

2. I'm in the "Quinn shouldn't take over full-time" boat. But I suspect Crennel is getting his marching orders from above -- and that this has more to do with money and his contract than anything else. That's just a suspicion, but it's one worth considering.

3. I do think he should be getting SOME playtime. If he's tearing it up, you won't be able to keep him off the field. If he's not, Crennel at least has plausible reasons to not start him. Once he gets a start, though, I don't think any of the 3 "men" in power have the balls to pull him if it gets ugly. They will be powerless to the media and fan demands... because... well... that seems to be SOP for them so far.

4. I don't get all this "Dorsey can mentor him" talk. Are we grooming this kid to play a couple of games off the cuff and trade him for a 2nd day pick a couple years from now, or trying to make him a franchise QB? And I can't see Dorsey being any more capable of a starter than the 2 guys we've seen so far. Which brings me to...

5. If they're serious about completely sitting Quinn for the year, and mentoring him... why isn't there any talk of picking up Leftwich? Maybe there is and I've just missed it, but he would be the obvious hold-over guy right now if that's what the big wigs are looking for. (And it seems they are.)
 
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LitlBuck;926769; said:
I might be getting my years mixed up a little boat wasn't there a big rumor that if Charlie had not been picked by the Browns that Green Bay would have selected him. Holmgren's influence could have still been with the Packers. Just a thought.
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no, what happened was that GB was looking at frye for their 1st round pick in 2005, which was around #25. but then, aaron rogers had his massive free-fall, which landed him in green bay's lap, and jason campbell in washington's. therefore, frye fell all the way to cleveland in the 3rd, which is why so many people thought it was a good deal to pick him when they did.
 
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4. I don't get all this "Dorsey can mentor him" talk. Are we grooming this kid to play a couple of games off the cuff and trade him for a 2nd day pick a couple years from now, or trying to make him a franchise QB? And I can't see Dorsey being any more capable of a starter than the 2 guys we've seen so far. Which brings me to...

5. If they're serious about completely sitting Quinn for the year, and mentoring him... why isn't there any talk of picking up Leftwich? Maybe there is and I've just missed it, but he would be the obvious hold-over guy right now if that's what the big wigs are looking for. (And it seems they are.)
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you need to look at it a little more critically.

first, any vet qb they bring in now will know nothing of the offensive system. they would be behind even quinn in terms of playbook knowledge. such a move provides no benefit. the plan was never to sit quinn for the year. it was to sit him until he is "ready", which was not so secretly after the bye week.

as for the dorsey matter, dorsey played in chudzinski's offensive system for years, and knows it inside and out. quinn even made comments that he was sad to see dorsey cut because he learned so much from him in a short time. Dorsey even called Quinn in Arizona to keep him updated on new parts of the offense being installed before quinn actually signed. that is dorsey's value, which is something neither one of the franderson's, nor any off the street vet can offer.
 
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buckeyefool;926699; said:
Sure you do.
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Alright, but this is a big waste of time. But if you make a blanket statement like "the Bengals have always been better than the Browns" without backing it up, then I'll have back up that your statement is completely unfounded.

1968: Cleveland 10-4 Cincinnati 3-11
1969: Cleveland 10-3-1 Cincinnati 4-9-1
1971: Cleveland 9-5 Cincinnati 4-10
1972: Cleveland 10-4 Cincinnati 8-6
1978: Cleveland 8-8 Cincinnati 4-12
1979: Cleveland 9-7 Cincinnati 4-12
1980: Cleveland 11-5 Cincinnati 6-10
1983: Cleveland 9-7 Cincinnati 7-9
1985: Cleveland 8-8 Cincinnati 7-9
1986: Cleveland 12-4 Cincinnati 10-6
1987: Cleveland 10-5 Cincinnati 4-11
1989: Cleveland 9-6-1 Cincinnati 8-8
1991: Cleveland 6-10 Cincinnati 3-13
1992: Cleveland 7-9 Cincinnati 5-11
1993: Cleveland 7-9 Cincinnati 3-13
1994: Cleveland 11-5 Cincinnati 3-13
2001: Cleveland 7-9 Cincinnati 6-10
2002: Cleveland 9-7 Cincinnati 2-14

So of the 36 years that Cleveland and Cincinnati have both been in existence, Cleveland has had a better record 18 times.

Care to rephrase the "has always been better" language to "has been just as shitty"?
 
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