Cleveland Browns (2007 & prior)

[Mike80]

I think they should pick a QB (Quinn) and stick with him for the year.

I think they should copy what other teams have done with the QB of the future and sit him this year.

I think Brady has enough self confidence and arrogance that he will not fold like Couch did during adversity. I see no reason not to start him.

I see many reasons to not start him, but you won't listen so I won't bother.

I think DA and Frye are horrible excuses for QB's and Browns fans are "tired of waiting until next year."

So Quinn is going to change that in his rookie season with this group on offense? No sorry, not going to happen. This team needs much more than a Quarterback to get the ship righted.....

I think you are someone who loves to lurk this thread and trash the Browns doing nothing more than regurgitating the obvious problems, yet offering no solutions.

wahhhhh wahhhhhhhhh.....So how many QBs are the Browns going to chew through before finding one that will have the supporting cast around him to help him succeed? It's already been quite a few (Dilfer, Garcia, Detmer, Couch, Holcolmb, Frye) so why not add another victim?

Jamal Lewis isn't the long term answer at RB. The Browns have needed a RB since they've come back and will most certainly miss out on the next great RB in next year's draft.

They need speed on the outside, yet they don't have any and don't seem to want any.

At least it appears the Winslow pick was good and Kam Wimbley is going to be a dominant force someday, but the track record otherwise isn't the greatest.

You can just ignore my comments, but I'm not going anywhere. If you don't like my solutions to the problems that's not my problem either.

 

[Buckin' A]

I think they should copy what other teams have done with the QB of the future and sit him this year.

Yea, b/c playing Peyton Manning and Troy Aikman sure killed them. It's ike Jimmy Johnson said..."If you think he's that fragile that you can't play him his rookie season...you shouldn't have drafted him.

So Quinn is going to change that in his rookie season with this group on offense? No sorry, not going to happen. This team needs much more than a Quarterback to get the ship righted.....

This team could be competative with the upgrades it made this season. Follow me to the next line Sparky....

wahhhhh wahhhhhhhhh.....So how many QBs are the Browns going to chew through before finding one that will have the supporting cast around him to help him succeed? It's already been quite a few (Dilfer, Garcia, Detmer, Couch, Holcolmb, Frye) so why not add another victim?

How about a QB that recognizes 3 guys blitzing from one side and shifts the protection? Or how about a QB that knows to throw it away after 5 seconds of protection when no one is open. I could go on all day, but you'd have to understand football to be able to chime in here.

They need speed on the outside, yet they don't have any and don't seem to want any.

You can only fills so many holes in one year.

At least it appears the Winslow pick was good and Kam Wimbley is going to be a dominant force someday, but the track record otherwise isn't the greatest.

Again...thanks Captain obvious...that sure is going out on a limb to right this ship.

 

[exhawg]

The idea of throwing Quinn out there is aburd to me.....mediocre line play + mediocre speed at wideout ='s terrible QB play

Sounds like ND

I've heard Dorsey as a possible starter next week if they want to make it a little longer before playing Quinn.

 

[Mike80]

Yea, b/c playing Peyton Manning and Troy Aikman sure killed them. It's ike Jimmy Johnson said..."If you think he's that fragile that you can't play him his rookie season...you shouldn't have drafted him.

Look at what those guys had around them....then look at what the Browns have.....

This team could be competative with the upgrades it made this season. Follow me to the next line Sparky....

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How about a QB that recognizes 3 guys blitzing from one side and shifts the protection? Or how about a QB that knows to throw it away after 5 seconds of protection when no one is open. I could go on all day, but you'd have to understand football to be able to chime in here.

All hail Buckin A, the ONLY true Browns fan

Where have I said Frye is the answer? You won't find it.

You can only fills so many holes in one year.

Or you could choose to only fill in 3 in 9 drafts (I forgot Thomas earlier as LT was clearly a need which they finally filled)....

Again...thanks Captain obvious...that sure is going out on a limb to right this ship.

All Hail Buckin A, the ONLY true Browns fan here

Give me a break. And way to ignore the rest of my post, but since it didn't help whatever you want to blather on here, whatever. You remind me of the dipshits who were starting fights with other Browns fans in year one when the Ravens blew them out. Seriously, give it a break. You don't have to take your frustrations out on me, I'm not your problem.

 

[Buckin' A]

All hail Buckin A, the ONLY true Browns fan

Thank you...that's what I have been saying all along.

Seriously, give it a break. You don't have to take your frustrations out on me, I'm not your problem.

No, you are not my problem. But people who just pile on when a team is down are...and that's all you have done as of late. If you have a solution, we're all ears. But all you have done is trash any solution that any real fans has suggested.

If you want to start a 3rd grade name calling session, PM me, I am more than qualified for that. Otherwise, lets just stick to disgussing what the Browns need to do to get better.

 

[Mike80]

Thank you...that's what I have been saying all along.

So tell me, how do you measure being a "true fan"? Is that like being a "true Christian" or something?

No, you are not my problem. But people who just pile on when a team is down are...and that's all you have done as of late. If you have a solution, we're all ears. But all you have done is trash any solution that any real fans has suggested.

If you want to start a 3rd grade name calling session, PM me, I am more than qualified for that. Otherwise, lets just stick to disgussing what the Browns need to do to get better.

So I shouldn't blast a team of (supposed) Professionals when they play like shit?

I've been trying to be constructive but this Front Office doesn't seem interested in building, but rather with quick fixes. And then I get called out for hating the Browns. What is it? Make up my mind for me here.....

I don't think putting Brady in right now is the best thing for him or the team. I notice you aren't calling anyone else out who has suggested this, just me but that's ok. While I do agree his cockiness is probably something this team needs, where will that attitude be in week 10 when he's got 5 TD passes and 50 sacks? He's had his bad games before at NoD, but he isn't ready for the pounding he's going to take both in the press, on the sidelines, on the field and from the fans.

Unless this running game gets it going, passing is going to get harder and harder. They need to find a way to stretch the field and they don't have the personnel to do it. I can't help it if you don't like what I have to say about it, but dammit, I'm going to be honest, sometimes brutally if needs be.

On a side note - As for the name-calling, I didn't quite word that right, you aren't a dipshit at all, just a passionate (and pissed off) fan like me. The retards that were causing the cops to patrol up and down the Mezzanine that windy October day were the dipshits I was refering too.

On a SIDE SIDE note - I'll have to find the post, but in the (now locked thanks to Bonus) Brady thread, I've stated that if he does turn into something, I'll gladly eat the crow coming my way and I'll do it completely without hesitation.

 

[Buckin' A]

I don't think putting Brady in right now is the best thing for him or the team. I notice you aren't calling anyone else out who has suggested this, just me but that's ok. While I do agree his cockiness is probably something this team needs, where will that attitude be in week 10 when he's got 5 TD passes and 50 sacks? He's had his bad games before at NoD, but he isn't ready for the pounding he's going to take both in the press, on the sidelines, on the field and from the fans.

Unless this running game gets it going, passing is going to get harder and harder. They need to find a way to stretch the field and they don't have the personnel to do it. I can't help it if you don't like what I have to say about it, but dammit, I'm going to be honest, sometimes brutally if needs be.

On a side note - As for the name-calling, I didn't quite word that right, you aren't a dipshit at all, just a passionate (and pissed off) fan like me. The retards that were causing the cops to patrol up and down the Mezzanine that windy October day were the dipshits I was refering too.

On a SIDE SIDE note - I'll have to find the post, but in the (now locked thanks to Bonus) Brady thread, I've stated that if he does turn into something, I'll gladly eat the crow coming my way and I'll do it completely without hesitation.

I don't understand what everybody think will happen to Brady if he is put in right now. I was one of his biggest bashers, but the bottom line is that he is use to succeeding with mediocre talent around him. BE and the other recievers showed complete disdane with Frye and Anderson and are tired of piss poor decisions and balls being thrown behind them.

The running game will not get going until teams start respecting our passing game. Right now, they are loadin 8/9 in the box and blitzing b/c they know we are not playing a QB capable of shifting the blocking or changing the play to a quick hit. When teams start getting burnt on that, they will unload the box and thr running game will open. I think Brady can make the decisions to make that happen. frye and DA obviously cannot.

 

[jlb1705]

People want to point to Carson Palmer and Philip Rivers as examples of why it's beneficial to sit a young QB for a year. However, those guys were sitting behind a QB that has been serviceable at worst for three different franchises (Jon Kitna) and a QB that has gone to the Pro Bowl while playing for two different franchises (Drew Brees), respectively. Meanwhile Quinn is sitting behind a couple of chumps. This is a totally different situation.

They were talking about the Browns QB situation sometime during the MNF broadcast or leading up to it, and they mentioned that the Browns may be targeting the game after their bye week for Quinn's first start. This makes sense, as the Browns schedule is brutal when it comes to the defenses they will be facing. I think they showed that the Browns only face one team that didn't have a top-ten defense last year in the weeks leading up to their bye.

 

[Mike80]

I don't understand what everybody think will happen to Brady if he is put in right now. I was one of his biggest bashers, but the bottom line is that he is use to succeeding with mediocre talent around him. BE and the other recievers showed complete disdane with Frye and Anderson and are tired of piss poor decisions and balls being thrown behind them.

Hope I'm wrong, but rookie QBs tend to struggle early. Since we are to this point, I hope Brady won't have his confidence (which is a good thing in a QB) crushed by the team around him here. I know he had mediocre talent around him at Notre Dame, as we told Bonus all last week, this is an entirely different level now.

The running game will not get going until teams start respecting our passing game. Right now, they are loadin 8/9 in the box and blitzing b/c they know we are not playing a QB capable of shifting the blocking or changing the play to a quick hit. When teams start getting burnt on that, they will unload the box and thr running game will open. I think Brady can make the decisions to make that happen. frye and DA obviously cannot.

It's kind of a quandary. The running game helps the passing game and vice versa. I think it was billmac91 who posted it earlier, but the quick hitters aren't there because the receivers aren't quick enough to beat the defenders there.

You're probably watching the Bengals-Ratbirds game right now right? The Browns need a guy like Derrick Mason, a smaller WR who has good hands and can cut all day long. Braylon, Joe and the rest can't do it, and I don't think Cribbs is the answer at the moment either.

 

[Bucks21]

What I find absurd is the fact that they do not have a veteran quarterback on the roster. Although if they resign Dorsey(which it looks like) seems to act as the veteran although he doesn't have the experience of one.

 

[Buckin' A]

I can agree that my opinion means nothing to the Browns...so lets ask a team captain.

Is Quinn ready?
"You'll have to ask Brady that," said tight end Steve Heiden, one of the Browns' co-captains. "But from what I've seen, I think he is."
Quinn's readiness is at the heart of an internal debate raging inside Cleveland's team headquarters.
The Browns don't want to rush the 22-year-old Quinn into the starting lineup. But after seeing both Frye and Anderson throw interceptions, force passes into tight coverage, and in Frye's case, hold the ball too long, the club may have no other choice.

Crennel did say Quinn would be part of any conversation about the quarterback situation, which became more muddled Monday when Ken Dorsey, released by the team on Sept. 1, was at the team's training facility.
Dorsey served as a mentor for Quinn during training camp, and his return could add credence to the Browns getting Quinn ready for the Bengals.

Heiden said that if Crennel decides to make a switch, he'll have the backing of everyone in Cleveland's locker room.

Is Quinn in? Browns mull QB changes following Week 1 debacle

 

[Mike80]

What I find absurd is the fact that they do not have a veteran quarterback on the roster. Although if they resign Dorsey(which it looks like) seems to act as the veteran although he doesn't have the experience of one.

Fortunately or unfortunately they did do that for Frye by signing Trent Dilfer....

 

[schwab]

"Heiden said that if Crennel decides to make a switch, he'll have the backing of everyone in Cleveland's locker room. "

That's all I need to hear.

 

[NFBuck]

All signs seem to be pointing at Brady, and somewhere King Bonus is furiously humping an unfortunate mattress. I'm still not fond of the idea, but I'll get behind it, peek through one eye and cross my fingers. It can't get much worse I suppose. And hey, Dorsey is the cool dude who drives the bus.

 

[Big Papa]

I agree with a lot of what many of you have said here in your debates. Frye is trash. Anderson is also trash, albeit, probably less trash than Frye. After this last game, anyone who believes Frye deserves to take another snap as starter for this team needs to remember it's puff-puff-pass.

I do want to see them make some kind of change at QB for the Nati game, but I too am a little gun-shy after the Tim Couch years. We all know Brady is the best QB this team has. We are all just so dumbfounded over the complete breakdown of every facet of the game yesterday, it's hard to imagine any QB being successful for this team right now. I am sure of this though, if they do not figure out this QB situation now, this team does not stand a chance of even winning the 4 games they did last year. I say cut Frye, keep Dorsey around and start Anderson next week. Not that I believe he is the answer by any means, just that I think it is too early to throw Quinn in, and Anderson is probably a better option than Dorsey. Keep preparing Quinn though, as he should be the starter sooner rather than later this season. My original prediction was the game after the bye week, but we could see that cut in half now, depending on what happens this Sunday.

God help us, we the pathetic Cleveland Browns fans. Shouldn't this be considered some kind of self-loathing??