Cleveland Browns (2007 & prior)

[tsteele316]

Let me ask the Browns faithfull out there (if there are any of us left)....Is Romeo the guy to lead this team? I hate to see them keep changing coaches, but the attitude doesn't seem to be much different than it was and the team doesn't seem to be improving.

it's to the point where you have to bring in some talent and see before casting him aside after 2 seasons. between ridiculous injuries and a total lack of talent on both lines, and the hobo parade of filth at the qb spot, he gets one more season in my mind.

 

[Crashcup]

I must honestly say that changing coaches like, like I change my underwear, is part of their problem. There is never any continuity.

The fans in Cleveland are part of the problem inasmuch as they put so much pressure on the organization to win immediately that coaches always make moves that they feel are necessary to win immediately I.E. ruining perfectly good QB's, bringing in geriatrics from other teams, giving away so called mal-contents.

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[scarletngrey11]

Let me ask the Browns faithfull out there (if there are any of us left)....Is Romeo the guy to lead this team? I hate to see them keep changing coaches, but the attitude doesn't seem to be much different than it was and the team doesn't seem to be improving.

Hell no.

Hes soft and no one respects him.

 

[Buckin' A]

I think the fans in Cleveland are wild, but they deserve more than they have had since 1999.

The old timers that were brought in were brought as much for their leadership as they were for their abilities. That hasn't seemed to work too much either.

 

[OH10]

"Oh where for out thou"


Give Romeo one more year to develop the defense scheme with the youngsters. That's where I want to see the major improvement. Build the offense through the line, then worry about who your quarterback is.

And trade Braylon Edwards. I know that's what he probably wants, and we'll only get 50 cents on the dollar for him, but he's a fucking cancer. You can take the man out of Michigan, but you can't take the Michigan out of the man. Get the fuck out of Ohio!!

 

[CookyPuss]

Let me ask the Browns faithfull out there (if there are any of us left)....Is Romeo the guy to lead this team? I hate to see them keep changing coaches, but the attitude doesn't seem to be much different than it was and the team doesn't seem to be improving.

Now that I live in Cincinnati, I really don't get to see the Brownies much. I can't say with a whole lot of confidence one way or the other if Romeo is the guy. I don't think anyone would have a much better record than 4-11 with this roster. They play hard and for the most part stay in games. If they draft a QB in the first round rather than addressing the line issues, I'll know that the entire organization needs fired. I think Romeo deserves another year to get things on track. Losing Bentely like they did was killer. I think he needs to put a muzzle on Edwards and Winslow, although it is good to see that the guys care about winning.

In my honest opinion, I think it will take 2-3 years for this team to reach playoff caliber. They have to have a strong OL and solid running game. They already have the beginnings of a solid D. They have shown more depth on that side of the ball than I could have imagined with all the injuries. Romeo seems to have the recipe for success. He just needs to get the right pieces in place.

The thing that concerns me most about this team is that the top level management sees to listen to the fans and the talking heads way too much. From what I could tell, Romeo did not want to fire his OC earlier this year. The offense was vanilla and not moving the ball much. However, it seemed that everytime they did open it up, Frye made bad decisions. I honestly thought they needed to run the offense that way. What I would rather have seen them do is to bring in a vet QB to be another set of eyes and to help Charlie along. Anyways, I don't think this team will ever reach championship levels if they keep trying to placate the fans instead of sticking with their plans.

Go Browns and Go Bucks!

 

[tsteele316]

Hell no.

Hes soft and no one respects him.

considering when rumors of him getting shitcanned cropped up after the cinci loss, every player to a man went to bat for him, I'd say he has the players' respect.

 

[23Skidoo]

Does it really matter? The frustration I once felt from all the injuries and all the losses has pretty much been replaced by apathy. It's hard to really care about your favorite team when you can't stand many of the key players *cough* Braylon *cough* Winslow. If they were to get the first pick and drafted Quinn, I'd box up my considerable collection of Browns clothing and paraphernalia and stuff it in a closet.

I think that pretty much hits it on the head for most of us. Not only does this team stink, and the management made horrible decisions, but they've also made personnel decisions that largely alienate the fanbase.
For whatever reason, the expansion Browns seem to have an affair with ACC, SEC, and scUM players whose talent was obviously inflated in college.
I'm not saying they need to draft TS -- but they do need to make better decisions regarding both fan and talent base, and I'm not referring to the mob mentality or taking advice from the mob either.
Anyway, I was kind of happy we lost to Tampa -- hopefully this means we can pick up Thomas. If we drafted AP, I'm 99% sure he'd just get injured again -- and that's the last thing this horrible excuse for a team needs.
I honestly wouldn't be disappointed if they traded Braylon for a 3rd round pick. The guy is scum.

 

[CookyPuss]

I think that pretty much hits it on the head for most of us. Not only does this team stink, and the management made horrible decisions, but they've also made personnel decisions that largely alienate the fanbase.
For whatever reason, the expansion Browns seem to have an affair with ACC, SEC, and scUM players whose talent was obviously inflated in college.
I'm not saying they need to draft TS -- but they do need to make better decisions regarding both fan and talent base, and I'm not referring to the mob mentality or taking advice from the mob either.
Anyway, I was kind of happy we lost to Tampa -- hopefully this means we can pick up Thomas. If we drafted AP, I'm 99% sure he'd just get injured again -- and that's the last thing this horrible excuse for a team needs.
I honestly wouldn't be disappointed if they traded Braylon for a 3rd round pick. The guy is scum.

I can't figure the management out either. On one hand they do seem to pick guys who the fan base is not going to naturally embrace (Winslow, Edwards) and on the other they seem to follow the mob mentality at times (firing the OC). The problem is that they don't seem to know how to best keep the fan base satisfied. I guess winning would change all of that.

Anyways, Frye is as good as gone (at least in the next 2 years). Why do I say this? Nothing against him or his play. I got a Frye jersey for Christmas. The last 2 jerseys I received as Christmas gifts were Tim Couch and William Green. We all know how it went for them. I'm guessing that I will soon be donating my Frye jersey to the church garage sell like the others.

 

[23Skidoo]

I can't figure the management out either. On one hand they do seem to pick guys who the fan base is not going to naturally embrace (Winslow, Edwards) and on the other they seem to follow the mob mentality at times (firing the OC). The problem is that they don't seem to know how to best keep the fan base satisfied. I guess winning would change all of that.

Anyways, Frye is as good as gone (at least in the next 2 years). Why do I say this? Nothing against him or his play. I got a Frye jersey for Christmas. The last 2 jerseys I received as Christmas gifts were Tim Couch and William Green. We all know how it went for them. I'm guessing that I will soon be donating my Frye jersey to the church garage sell like the others.

Haha, too true.
I've been thinking this over a little bit more while eating brunch -- and I have to admit that I wasn't impressed with last years draft when it happened. But looking back now, it really wasn't that bad. If AJ had been available and they picked Wimbley, I'd have something to whinge about -- but Wimbley has done pretty decent -- at least in the 2 games I've been able to see in CO and by the stat sheet (10 sacks is always good).
D'Qwell has also done well for us. The only pick that I really wonder about is Wilson -- he wasn't really productive at Oklahoma and we only pulled him into the gameplan for the last couple of games ?
Still, I'm happy to see that the Management is better at evaluating talent than I am on the defensive side of the ball (at least).
As you noted before and alluded to again just now -- the management seems to follow the fans in the wrong way. They should never take advice from the fan-base, but they could definitely make more savvy decisions in personnel than drafting Edwards and over-rated SEC QBs.

As for your jersey's -- I'd be happy to take them off your hands. I prefer jerseys of more "obscure" players anyway. This also gives me the idea to look for a Bernie or Metcalf jersey on Ebay. (hardly obscure, but my childhood favorites)

 

[OSUBasketballJunkie]

Let me ask the Browns faithfull out there (if there are any of us left)....Is Romeo the guy to lead this team? I hate to see them keep changing coaches, but the attitude doesn't seem to be much different than it was and the team doesn't seem to be improving.

I think he wasn't the right man for the job from the very beginning. I am sick and tired of former coordinators with little to no head coaching experience, cutting their teeth in Cleveland. I have always wanted a young, energetic coach who believes in discipline.

Should they fire him now? I don't think so, he is part of the problem, but the talent level is really the problem and their lack of success in the draft, add to that the growing list of injuries and its easy to see why they are stuck at the bottom of the NFL.

It sickens me what the Browns have become in the past 7 years. Where is the pride? Where is the energy level from game to game? I grew up on the Browns and I was watching when John Elway broke Cleveland's heart and Byner fumbled the next year, not to mention the ill fated pass to Ozzie against Oakland.....bad memories all of them, but I am a Cleveland fan and I deserve better than the performance of not just the players, but the coaches, front office and the owner.

considering when rumors of him getting shitcanned cropped up after the cinci loss, every player to a man went to bat for him, I'd say he has the players' respect.

Some players may respect him, but most of them would rather run their mouths in the media (ie Edwards, Winslow). He is soft in my opinion. This is a team that needs discipline and motivation. They are used to losing, they don't know how to win. It is pathetic to sit their every Sunday and watch one of the most historic NFL franchises perform at such a poor level.

The fans in Cleveland are part of the problem inasmuch as they put so much pressure on the organization to win immediately that coaches always make moves that they feel are necessary to win immediately I.E. ruining perfectly good QB's, bringing in geriatrics from other teams, giving away so called mal-contents.

Say what you want about the fans, but after seven years of consistently selling out that stadium each weekend, they deserve a better product and what fan base doesn't put immediate pressure to win on their team? It's been 7 years of poor teams, this isn't year 1.

 

[NFBuck]

And trade Braylon Edwards. I know that's what he probably wants, and we'll only get 50 cents on the dollar for him, but he's a fucking cancer. You can take the man out of Michigan, but you can't take the Michigan out of the man. Get the fuck out of Ohio!!

I'd dance a jig if the Browns could get a 3rd rounder for him.

 

[Crashcup]

Say what you want about the fans, but after seven years of consistently selling out that stadium each weekend, they deserve a better product and what fan base doesn't put immediate pressure to win on their team? It's been 7 years of poor teams, this isn't year 1.
That is exactly my point, they do deserve better but believe me, it's been going on for eons not just seven years.

 

[Crashcup]

Say what you want about the fans, but after seven years of consistently selling out that stadium each weekend, they deserve a better product and what fan base doesn't put immediate pressure to win on their team? It's been 7 years of poor teams, this isn't year 1.

That is exactly my point, they do deserve better but believe me, it's been going on for eons not just seven years.

I still don't know how to "quote" Damn technology!

 

[JCOSU86]

I know that's what he probably wants, and we'll only get 50 cents on the dollar for him, but he's a fucking cancer. You can take the man out of Michigan, but you can't take the Michigan out of the man. Get the fuck out of Ohio!!

I'll pay .50 on the dollar!