Dryden;1560109; said:
Thanks! Did he initially go to ND as the defensive coordinator? I don't remember but how the mighty have fallen.....
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Thanks! Did he initially go to ND as the defensive coordinator? I don't remember but how the mighty have fallen.....
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MaxBuck;1560057; said:Two home games so far in 2009. Average attendance is about 31,500, only 90% capacity in a stadium that holds only 35,000 fans. This is with a team ranked in the Top 10. In 2008 things were moderately better: averaged 91% capacity.
Top 30 program?Get back to me when the home team fans show a little interest.
No question, this has been an issue. How many D1 football programs also have to compete for disposable income with an NFL team and MLB team? Just an honest question.. Not easy to do especially when the progam was considered a laughing stock for 100 years... I'll take 91% capacity for the season compared to the 12,000 that used to show up. Funny how you tried to make that into a slam and I just don't see it that way...And I'll pass on getting back to you...I've decided to carry on with my life. :)
as for Minter, he wasn't the greatest of coaches and he has some of that old Notre Dame arrogance about him. But he was the first coach to come to UC and do whatever he could to make SW Ohio a target for players. He opened a lot of doors in Cincy high schools and his graduation rates, especially amongst African-American players were amongs the best in the NCAA on his watch.
as for the 'oh, how the mighty have fallen' crack...Walt Harris anybody?
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I remember him being called Rick "Nuclear" Minter by Domer fans. He was in charge of that stellar unit that got bent over and without courtesy of a reach around by the Buckeyes in the Fiesta Bowl.
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Honor&Glory;1560258; said:
Georgia Tech
Miami (FL)
Minnesota (and they have hockey too)
Michigan (I know the Lions BARELY count)
USF does well too I think.
UDub
Colorado (Boulder is barely an hour away from Denver)
those are just off of the top of my head. Colorado is down right now, but they are drawing more than Cincy does.
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jlb1705;1560266; said:
yes, he was. But, I could be wrong, but I think that was his second stint as the Irish DC...I believe he was also there in the early 90's under Holtz and has some pretty good units.
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BuckeyeMike80;1560267; said:
Sure...great schools and solid programs all of them. USF, Minnesota, UDub and Miami fit the profile I was going after as does Pittsburgh in that they are actually located in the city where they compete for dollars directly. I guess Ann Arbor is close enough to Detroit to warrent being factored in with the rest.
USF, I put on the same level as UC and Pitt. Minnesota, UDbub and Miamia, without question or saying, do not have the problems of the first three.
Eventually, UC is going to have to realize the limitations of a landlocked stadium in the middle of campus with poor access and even worse parking. It may soon be in UC's interest, if they have any intent of growing the program, to share PBS with the Bengals the way the Panters share Heinz with the Steelers.
Looking forward to Oklahoma visiting next year in PBS...the atmosphere should be just like the 02 OSU game.
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Honor&Glory;1560258; said:
Colleges and average attendance (rounded off since I didn't feel like doing the exact math)
Michigan - over 100,000
Georgia Tech - 87,000
Miami - 53,000
Boston College - 42,000 (44,000 seat stadium)
Cal - 60,000
Stanford - 34,000
Washington - 62,000
Texas (right by San Antonio and Houston) - over 100,000
Missouri (right by Kansas City) - 63,000
Pittsburgh - 53,000
Houston - 27,000
Arizona State - 45,000
Minnesota - 50,000
Colorado - 52,000
All of the above schools have received votes or have been ranked in the major polls this year (except ASU, Minnesota, and Colorado). Many of them not only compete with NFL and MLB, but also hockey and basketball.
So with all that UC finishes second to last, and Houston sure didn't do that well last year. About on par with Stanford who has been horrible and certainly didn't have the year UC did last year. If UC sold out every game it would be a different matter. Yet they don't and can't even get on television in their own city last weekend.
edit: many of these were already answered while I was busy looking up attendance numbers. Sorry for the redundancy.
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NFBuck;1560296; said:Bad example.
They still have gotten over 50,000 a game this year, but in general they suck for a major program.
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Honor&Glory;1560258; said:
BTW...I don't think it's totally the fact that the NFL and MLB are in Cincinnati. You have to add in the fact Ohio State is close, and in Cincinnati there is a strong ND fanbase along with Louisville and Kentucky. Tough to get people to come to a game when they would rather stay home to watch their team on tv or travel a couple hours to Columbus for a game. Just too many split loyalties in Cincinnati, and even though Kentucky and Louisville suck most people don't give up on their loyalty to their team that quick. The only ones on that list you could mention that have the same problem would be Georgia Tech (with Georgia) and Cal/Stanford.
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You're the one who pulled the "Top 25-30 program" nonsense, H&G. I just pointed out how ludicrous that is given that the program cannot sell out a 35,000 seat stadium. "Jumbo shrimp" and all that.Honor&Glory;1560258; said:
Look, no disrespect to UC, which has a nice little program underway. But that's what it is - a nice little program. Similar to what UConn is building. In fact, the only Big East school that has anything more than a "nice little program" is Syracuse, and that's only because of their storied history. But the 'Cuse is now a stinky big program that is shrinking by the day, like the Arctic ice mass.
Top programs perform on the field (and there, if Kelly can be persuaded to stay, they may measure up consistently), in the media, and in the community. UC won't get there.
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MaxBuck;1560340; said:
Virginia Tech was this way, too. It can happen at a place like Cincinnati. Not guaranteeing it will happen. Only saying some major pieces are in place for it to do so. Cincinnati is a hotbed of high school football talent. Keep a good portion of that talent in Clifton and who know what will happen.
To say UC won't get there is as assinine as a UC fan saying they will. These things are built over time. Cincinnati is a big enough market to support the program if it continues to grow. I'm just waiting to see how it plays out and enjoying what Minter, Dantonio and Kelly have built thus far. Look at UC 10 years ago and look at them now and tell me with a straight face that you're 100% sure they will 'never get there' and I'll call you a Buckeye homer who has no knowledge or respect for anything outside the 614 area code.
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Muck;1560530; said:
very true. Great points!
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