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ORD_Buckeye
Wrong glass, Sir.
Woody1968;1568307; said:
The difference is that Iowa State has always had a decent football program and, more importantly, has always been a member of a power conference.
Cincy has done nothing other than join a joke conference that has no history and is BCS in name only, then string 3 good seasons together under a coach who's biding his time for Charlie to get whacked.
Seriously, there are 7 other D1 football schools in Ohio. A few have had some temporary success and national poll recognition at one time or another. None has ever earned the right to be yanked up and elevated to big time status, through being given an annual home and away rivalry game with Ohio State. As I said earlier, Cincy needs to have a couple of decades of national success then get back to us. Until then, they're welcome to their spot on the Ohio Stadium rotation.
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ORD_Buckeye;1568329; said:
Really? Iowa State has two bowl wins ALL-TIME. They've been playing football since 1892 in Ames and they won have just two bowl games. UC isn't much better overall in that regard, but at least they have won more bowl games this decade than Iowa State has in their entire history.
You could make a similar argument about Iowa State as people are making about UC. Iowa State is in the Big XII because of their wrestling program and the fact that they're in the middle of a huge cornfield like half of the rest of the conference.
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The other annoying thing about the announcers harping on the idea that tOSU should play Cincy every year is that they've been a BCS program for 5 years, and schedules are made years in advance.
They also usually never realize (or intentionally don't mention) the fact that tOSU is already slated to play Cincy in 2012 and 2014.
I'll be watching the Pitt-Rutgers game tonight, listening to hear the ESPN ass-clowns complain about Penn State not playing Pitt. A team that's been in the BCS since the start, used to be a traditional rival of Penn State, and is probably a top-30 program historically, having won some MNCs.
And while they complain about Ohio State playing Youngstown State or MAC schools in Ohio, in a a year in which the Buckeyes played USC - will they be complaining about Penn State not playing Pitt, in a year where their non-conference schedule is: Akron, Syracuse, Temple, and Eastern Illinois?
Holy Shit! Some of those thoughts could be the same as Mark May's. :!
They also usually never realize (or intentionally don't mention) the fact that tOSU is already slated to play Cincy in 2012 and 2014.
I'll be watching the Pitt-Rutgers game tonight, listening to hear the ESPN ass-clowns complain about Penn State not playing Pitt. A team that's been in the BCS since the start, used to be a traditional rival of Penn State, and is probably a top-30 program historically, having won some MNCs.
And while they complain about Ohio State playing Youngstown State or MAC schools in Ohio, in a a year in which the Buckeyes played USC - will they be complaining about Penn State not playing Pitt, in a year where their non-conference schedule is: Akron, Syracuse, Temple, and Eastern Illinois?
Holy Shit! Some of those thoughts could be the same as Mark May's. :!
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An intersting comment by Matthew Zemek. I posted during the second half that I was impressed by how Kelly called plays that allowed the backup QB to succeed, but this tidbit from Zemek, who usually writes tomes when brief paragraphs will suffice, sums it up nicely.
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The margin of victory was 17 because USF didn't capitalize on a couple of great opportunities: their CB dropped a pick-6 on a short out pattern thrown by Pike; and the ball bounced back to Pike the one time that he was sacked by Selvie and stripped of the ball deep in his own territory.
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The margin of victory was 17 because USF didn't capitalize on a couple of great opportunities: their CB dropped a pick-6 on a short out pattern thrown by Pike; and the ball bounced back to Pike the one time that he was sacked by Selvie and stripped of the ball deep in his own territory.
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ORD_Buckeye;1568329; said:
Last time I checked, Iowa State stinks and has always stunk. Second, I'm not ready to heap praise on the Big XII. Third, The Big East is still a BCS conference at least on the level of, if not better than the ACC based on recent head to head play. A better example of a rivalry comparable to tOSU vs. Cincy would be Penn State vs Pitt. People will blast Penn State for playing Akron, but I don't recall them being blasted for playing Pitt. Pitt, Syracuse and West Virginny are all programs that have had, either now (WV) or traditionally (Pitt, Cuse) some level of success. Of course they don't measure up to tOSU, but how many programs actually do? They surely measure up to Second Tier Big 10 schools like Sparty, Iowa and Wisconsin, and I'd take West Virginia over Big XII stinkers like Iowa State or Baylor any day. I am not saying that we should play them every year, but it's an interesting debate.
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BB73;1568341; said:
I would love to see Pitt and Penn State play every year. Syracuse, while having been crappy for a decade, also has had some success historically.
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FCollinsBuckeye;1568310; said:
The teams at the top (OKLA and Texas) may be better, but if you take those two out, I am not so sure.
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ORD_Buckeye
Wrong glass, Sir.
jlb1705;1568340; said:
ISU was a founding member of the Big 8. While the results may not have been spectacular, they've been considered a major college football team for decades. If we shared the state with Purdue or Pitt or Kentucky, I'd concede the legitimacy of an annual rivalry game. Cincy has been considered a major football team for three lousy years!
I just can't figure out why some would want to see us have to compete with Cincy for media attention and recruits, particularly in the one region of the state that has always been most difficult for us. We give Cincy a rivalry game, and we automatically hand them something on a silver platter that they've failed to actually earn for a century.
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ORD_Buckeye;1568350; said:
A certain city in the SW portion of the state does share Ohio with Kentucky. :tongue2:
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ORD_Buckeye;1568350; said:
I agree with you on that & I am against an annual rivalry game for that reason alone. I can understand why some college football analysts would think it was good for the sport though, in order to create more pairity. That's all I am sayin'
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This was exactly my point in the other thread. What's in it for Ohio State? A "rivalry" game with Cincy diminishes The Game, gives credibility to Cincy, has benefits for the entire Big East--why do it?
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:p
Steve19;1568405; said:
I don't buy that it diminishes The Game, though. scUM has rivalries against Notre Dame and Sparty, and Illinois is technically a rivalry for us, since we play for a trophy. At the end of the season, we KNOW who our arch rival is.
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Woody1968;1568410; said:
I don't consider the Illibuck a trophy that OSU "plays for". It is passed between two university clubs the year after the game takes place. So the Illinois "club" recevied the trophy for the football team's 2007 win on the day that Beanie hurdled them and TP ran for 100+ yards in a Buckeye victory a year later.
Not really a "rivalry trophy" in my opinion.
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