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Cincinnati Bengals (Same Ole Bengals)

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CFPBuckeye said:
But we can agree that even if Bellichick couldn’t save them, he still wouldn’t be a fucking idiot, right?
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Call him what you will. But constantly rotating QBs and Head Coaches will always be counter productive, and accomplish nothing. Andy Dalton isn’t exactly Joe fucking Montana, and Hue had him playing as a top 5-10 QB as his offensive coordinator. Maybe he hasn’t had the best results, or made the best decisions. But calling him a failure of a HC because he couldn’t win with the Browns is absolutely absurd.
 
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TooTallMenardo said:
Call him what you will. But constantly constantly rotating QBs and Head Coaches will always be counter productive, and accomplish nothing. Andy Dalton isn’t exactly Joe fucking Montana, and Hue had him playing as a top 5-10 QB as his offensive coordinator. Maybe he hasn’t had the best results, or made the best decisions. But calling him a failure of a HC because he couldn’t win with the Browns is absolutely absurd.
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You nailed it as an OC the guy was a genius. As a HC, well some guys are great coordinators and that is their limit. Peter principle.....
 
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buckeyebri said:
You nailed it as an OC the guy was a genius. As a HC, well some guys are great coordinators and that is their limit. Peter principle.....
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What I’m trying to say, is I’m not going to write him off as a HC because he couldn’t dig Cleveland out of the massive hole they’ve found themselves in. No one can succeed with the current state of affairs in Cleveland.
 
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TooTallMenardo said:
Call him what you will. But constantly rotating QBs and Head Coaches will always be counter productive, and accomplish nothing. Andy Dalton isn’t exactly Joe fucking Montana, and Hue had him playing as a top 5-10 QB as his offensive coordinator. Maybe he hasn’t had the best results, or made the best decisions. But calling him a failure of a HC because he couldn’t win with the Browns is absolutely absurd.
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He isn’t necessarily a failure because he isn’t winning with the Browns. Although, even the previous shit stain coaches did better than 1-28. Rotate all the QBs you want. When it comes to managing a game and other particulars that fall on the coach, there are some real head scratchers. I can’t deny he was a successful OC. Maybe he should go back to that. Getting rid of Marvin Lewis is a good idea, like 6 years ago lol. The Bengals franchise isn’t as far away from being Browns-fucked as some would like to believe. Some real head scratching things going on with that organization, as well. Hiring Hue Jackson as HC continue that trend.
 
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TooTallMenardo said:
What I’m trying to say, is I’m not going to write him off as a HC because he couldn’t dig Cleveland out of the massive hole they’ve found themselves in. No one can succeed with the current state of affairs in Cleveland.
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Just my opinion but he has done nothing to advance them in any way. I think they have gotten worse actually. He’s mishandled the QBs horribly. His play calling in the red zone is absolutely abysmal.

Granted, the franchise is a joke but come on 1 win in 2 years...:no:
 
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CFPBuckeye said:
He isn’t necessarily a failure because he isn’t winning with the Browns. Although, even the previous [Mark May] stain coaches did better than 1-28. Rotate all the QBs you want. When it comes to managing a game and other particulars that fall on the coach, there are some real head scratchers. I can’t deny he was a successful OC. Maybe he should go back to that. Getting rid of Marvin Lewis is a good idea, like 6 years ago lol. The Bengals franchise isn’t as far away from being Browns-fucked as some would like to believe. Some real head scratching things going on with that organization, as well. Hiring Hue Jackson as HC continue that trend.
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Looking at the Bengals roster, I would disagree with the statement of “The Bengals franchise isn’t as far away from being Browns-fucked as some would like to believe”. I despise the shit out of Mike Brown due to his stinginess over paying players, but he’s done a pretty solid job building the roster through the draft, outside of the mess that is the offensive line. A large part of that mess is his unwillingness to commit to OL players long term.

That being said, I’d still rather see a GM in the FO for Cincinnati. I also don’t care who they go with next year at Head Coach, so long as it isn’t Marvin Lewis. If that means giving Hue Jackson a shot, I’m for it.

buckeyebri said:
Just my opinion but he has done nothing to advance them in any way. I think they have gotten worse actually. He’s mishandled the QBs horribly. His play calling in the red zone is absolutely abysmal.

Granted, the franchise is a joke but come on 1 win in 2 years...:no:
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Has he mishandled the QBs? Or has Cleveland gone swinging for the fences time after time after time, just to miss horribly for the better part of 2 decades, and then some.

Also, I think a huge key to red zone success is having a RB that isn’t awful. I wouldn’t trade any of the Bengals top 3 RBs for any RB on Cleveland’s roster. Call me crazy, just incredibly unimpressed with that stable of backs.
 
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Last playoff win?
Just got manhandled by the Bears?
Shit bag owner?
Off field issues?

For all of the success the Bengals have had in the last 10 years, they sure haven’t gotten anywhere. Head to head, the Browns have given the Bengals a 2 minute head start. The Browns are still at the starting line and the Bengals still haven’t finished the first lap. That’s almost more embarrassing. You’re being spotted 20 years of below mediocre play by the Browns and yet, if the Browns win 1 playoff game, they’ll have advanced farther than any Bengals team in the past 20 years. That’s with the Browns taking basically 20 years off. The Bengals aren’t nearly as far away from the Browns as one might think.
 
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CFPBuckeye said:
Last playoff win?
Just got manhandled by the Bears?
[Mark May] bag owner?
Off field issues?

For all of the success the Bengals have had in the last 10 years, they sure haven’t gotten anywhere. Head to head, the Browns have given the Bengals a 2 minute head start. The Browns are still at the starting line and the Bengals still haven’t finished the first lap. That’s almost more embarrassing.
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Off field issues? It isn’t 2005 anymore. The Bengals have had few off field issues in the last 5-10 years. The issue that’s plagued the Bengals this season, as well during the entire Lewis tenure, is he has no control over the discipline of the team. Bone headed penalties, miscues, and defense disappearing define Lewis’ tenure. That’s not a good look for a coach who used to be a defensive coordinator. Their biggest mistake was letting Zimmer take the job in Minnesota. That would have been the most ideal coach for Cincinnati. At least under Zimmer, the defense somewhat imposed their will on the game.
 
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TooTallMenardo said:
Off field issues? It isn’t 2005 anymore. The Bengals have had few off field issues in the last 5-10 years. The issue that’s plagued the Bengals this season, as well during the entire Lewis tenure, is he has no control over the discipline of the team. Bone headed penalties, miscues, and defenses disappearing define Lewis’ tenure. That’s not a good look for a coach who used to be a defensive coordinator. Their biggest mistake was letting Zimmer take the job in Minnesota. That would have been the most ideal coach for Cincinnati. At least under Zimmer, the defense somewhat imposed their will on the game.
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Meant to put on field issues.
 
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