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The number of babies being born out of wedlock has increased sharply in the United States, driven primarily by significant jumps in women in their 20s and 30s having children without getting married, according to a federal report released today.
More than 1.7 million babies were born to unmarried women in 2007, a 26 percent rise from 2002 and more than double the number in 1980, according to the report from the National Center for Health Statistics. The increase reflected a 21 percent jump in the rates of unmarried women giving birth, which rose from 43.7 per 1,000 women in 2002 to 52.9 per 1,000 women.
That means that unmarried women accounted for 39.7 percent of all U.S. births in 2007 -- nearly four out of every 10 newborns -- up from 34 percent in 2002 and more than double the percentage in 1980.
"If you see 10 babies in the room, four them were born to women who were not married," said Stephanie J. Ventura, who led the analysis of birth certificate data nationwide. "It's been a huge increase -- a dramatic increase. It's quite striking."

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i was rather shocked by the results of the study. not sure on the socio-economic impact of such a trend and the study doesnt hit on it. but i was suprised 2 of 5 babies now are born to unmarried women. (that number does not include shotgun weddings-or maybe people dont "shotgun" marry anymore?)
 
I'd also like to see what percentage of those babies were unintended pregnancies, compared to the same survey for married children (which happens as well)... and if there's any trend from that starting point (interrupting life/careers, financial stability, etc). There are plenty of loved babies born at the wrong time, what is the outcome of that?
not sure on the socio-economic impact of such a trend and the study doesnt hit on it.
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This is what I'd like to see, though that's a bit impossible at the moment. Some references to past studies would be interesting, though they would be conducted in eras before it was this common/accepted.
that number does not include shotgun weddings-or maybe people dont "shotgun" marry anymore?
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Some people don't even marry anymore. Why invite in the complications of marriage when you can just dance on the edge of it? :p (never fully understood that logic)
 
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jwinslow said:
I'd also like to see what percentage of those babies were unintended pregnancies, compared to the same survey for married children (which happens as well)... and if there's any trend from that starting point (interrupting life/careers, financial stability, etc).
This is what I'd like to see, though that's a bit impossible at the moment. Some references to past studies would be interesting, though they would be conducted in eras before it was this common/accepted.
Some people don't even marry anymore. Why invite in the complications of marriage when you can just dance on the edge of it? :p (never fully understood that logic)
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1-i mentioned socio-econ because of a poverty and income based issues also. i mean 2 incomes are more than likely > 1 income.
2-marriage tax penalty? (word is obama plans will reinstate it)
 
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I'm was gonna try to paint a pretty sociological picture for you - but it would have been mostly bullshit.

The more "I can do anything" and empowered women get, the less they feel they need men and feel obliged to raise children on their own. All they need is one sturdy yogurt cannon to knock them up and then they're good to go.

So buy all means - let them bury themselves under waves on oppressive debt. See if I care - they knew the risk but they were empowered, damnit! Who needs a nonsensical man who brings home income, discipline and can help raise children? That's not what is on HBO or at the movies???


Women are knuckleheads. This trend will reverse eventually - they just need to get hit over the head a couple of times to come to their senses.
 
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Single motherhood and teen and young adult single motherhood, is the greatest pox on success you can find. It virtually assures a lost chance at success in life. It is certainly not limited to race, but the statistically high Hispanic and black/urban illegitimacy rates are the primary reason that the poor and uneducated remain poor and uneducated.

It is so very antiquated to listen to Diana Ross sing "Love Child"

Love child, never meant to be
Love child, scorned by society
Love child, always second best
Love child, different from the rest

There is no scorn. And the illegitimate birth rate is even higher for Hispanics. The kids are not often not raised by a competent parent, let alone parents, and the cost of Medicaid, food stamps, higher crime rates, prison incarceration rates, etc, are an enormous financial drain. And, the kids are not able to enjoy a happy life in a loving two parent home with education as an emphasis and with the hope of a bright future acting as a brake on many of the societal ills we see from this group. If you never knew anyone who made it or was going to make it in life, it is not unreasonable to sell drugs or to get pregnant so you can move out from an ignorant mom who cramps your style.

This is a huge issue for the US. We have to get a handle on this, as it will suck the money out of us in a greater amount than Barry and the bankers ever will.
Now,
 
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I look at it as more of symptom and less of a cause in regards to what ails America. (Not to say that it doesn't also cause a slew of new issues, it most certainly does.) If people took more responsibility for their actions, the legitimacy of the child would not be of concern to me.

Anecdote time! :p

I have two nieces and a nephew, all 4+ years old, all illegitimate. (Can I still call them illegitimate? No? What about little bastards?) The twins live with their unmarried mother and father while the parents of the other niece have shared custody. Theoretically, the twins would be better off because they have both parents, the living expenses are shared.....while the other niece would have it tougher, because there are two residences to maintain, her time with each parent is lessened......blah, blah.....

However, that isn't the case here. The twins live in filth and poverty. They are still in diapers. Even with 4 adults living in a fairly inexpensive apartment, her sister STILL calls my wife for money. That's not to imply that the other niece doesn't have issues, too....but in the grand scheme of things....she has it better than most.

Bottom line for my story. The parents being together, in and of itself, doesn't make a child healthy or happy. Shotgun weddings are no panacea for what ails us.

Accountability for mistakes and learning to live with consequences would go along way towards making this nation stronger.
 
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Dang! Keep your daughters locked up! The results can be frightening!
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jwinslow;1466233; said:
Some people don't even marry anymore. Why invite in the complications of marriage when you can just dance on the edge of it? :p (never fully understood that logic)
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Livin' in sin is more exciting! :biggrin:

But, I digress. Marriage has become so legally complicated that many just don't want that whole entanglement.
Plus out of wedlock babies have become much more acceptable thanks to Right to Life groups/church.

Who are we to judge these women when we want to have sex with them? Use them?
 
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