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Charlie Weis (ex-Kansas HC, ex-Fla OC, Notre Dame legend, UnDecided Schematic Advantage)

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Not too surprising. They are going to be hurt big time by not having those 15 bowl practices. It will set them back even further.
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I wish there was somebody around to keep an eye on ole Charlie. Before it's done I'll bet he breaks the NCAA practice rules. Desperation will do that.

I also think he will be lucky to finish 2-2. I just peeked at their depth chart and they have 6 seniors starting on D. D is all they have this year. Why would those guys want to win one for the Gipper?
 
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OSU_Buckguy;971229; said:
bookmark-worthy stuff here:

The Worst Football Coach in the Universe

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and after reading that here is an actual domer fan response

This is the biggest bunch of bull I have ever read. The author either has to be a Michigan grad (Most hated team) or a USC grad (biggest rival). It is so bad - it's laughable. In two years when ND gathers their next National Championship I want this doucebag to write another article on how Charlie took his lumps this year developing a team of freshman and sophomores into a national power. It's easy to attack when someone is down but your true character will show when you have to eat this bunch of _____. You coward!
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I just don't have the words :sick1:
 
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Jaxbuck;971614; said:
I just don't have the words :sick1:
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That comment is classic. They truly do believe that everyone out there in the college football universe is wrong about Weis, and they are right.

The really sad thing about the domers is that the alumni were writing letters and withholding donations to get rid of Willingham in his very first year. With each passing month, it gets more and more difficult to believe that the "r word" doesn't play a factor in the difference in treatment that Weis gets. I'm so glad that phony university/overgrown boarding school never became part of the Big Ten.

The only thing he's done well is recruit, and that would be hard not to do well being a new coach at ND combined with the obscene amount of hype in the press that Weis received his first two years. That recruiting prowess can dry up awfully fast if Weis doesn't produce on the field next year, and I'm not betting on that happening.
 
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FWIW, here's a link for another article:

Notre Dame (1-7) Looking At Young Talent

SOUTH BEND, Ind. (AP) - Like Notre Dame fans everywhere, coach Charlie Weis is looking for a reason to believe.

It's not easy. The Irish have the nation's worst offense. The defense is on pace to give up the most points in its 119-season history. If the Irish (1-7) don't win one of their final four games, it would be the worst season in the history of the storied program.

The Irish have been the butt of jokes on late-night talk shows for weeks and lampooned on Saturday Night Live. The ratings for Notre Dame games on NBC are down sharply.
Yet Weis appears confident that Notre Dame will turn things around, defiantly stating following a 38-0 loss to USC that the Irish haters "better enjoy it now, have their fun now."
Despite his bold statement, though, Weis concedes that he is looking for reasons to believe the Irish are getting better.
"You better start worrying about developing your team," he said. "Because as everyone knows, we're 1-7 and we're not playing very well."
Notre Dame is averaging 187.6 yards per game total offense, 32 below its previous worst season. The Irish are averaging 34.1 yards a game rushing, more than 101 yards a game below their previous worst.
Still, Weis sees reason for hope. He pointed out that against the Trojans, Notre Dame's leading rusher was freshman Armando Allen, its leading receiver was freshman Duval Kamara and the two best pass rushers were freshmen linebackers Brian Smith and Kerry Neal.
The Irish, who have just seven players left from their 2007 recruiting class, have been depending on underclassmen all season. Notre Dame's top three rushers and four of their top five receivers are freshmen or sophomores, and at quarterback freshman Jimmy Clausen has started six games and Evan Sharpley, who has two years of eligibility left after this season, started against USC.
"I think there are a number of guys that are showing us some serious promise that their futures are bright," Weis said. "To me, if you're getting that many people indoctrinated into your program where they're actually playing meaningful playing time, I think you're setting yourself up for some bright things to happen."
Playing time alone, though, isn't enough. Notre Dame needs its line, which already has allowed a school record 39 sacks, to start opening holes for its tailbacks and to protect the quarterback better. It needs its tailbacks, quarterbacks and receivers to be more productive. It needs its defense, which has improved this season, to tackle better.
"To be honest with you, if those things don't progress, why on what basis would you go into the spring thinking that everything's going to be OK?" Weis asked.
Irish players appear confident that things are going to be better than OK.
"We're going to learn to overcome losing, and at the end of the day we'll be a really good team and we'll be stronger because we've been through some rough times," Smith said.
Kamara said the younger players have talked about the future. "The guys are excited about the years to come because we know we have a bunch of talent here, great guys, greater personalities," he said. "We're just excited for the years to come."
The Irish have history on their side. They've had only 13 losing seasons and only twice were they in back to back years: in 1887 (0-1) and '88 (1-2), and in 1985 (5-6) and '86 (5-6).
Weis hopes Notre Dame can finish strong to gain momentum heading into next season. He saw it happen when he was the tight ends coach with New England in 1993, when the Patriots started the season 1-11 with rookie quarterback Drew Bledsoe and finished the season with four straight wins. The next year the Patriots made the playoffs with a 10-6 record.
Two years later they made the Super Bowl.
Weis is so eager to get a glimpse of the future that he spent part of the bye week practicing only with players eligible to play next season.
"I'm no different than the rest of you guys," he said. "I have to see evidence that we're making progress." Weis, like Notre Dame fans, needs a reason to believe.
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Wow. Wasn't it all about the seniors at the beginning of the season? Are you kidding me? This can't be true. No coach in his right mind would write off a bunch of kids like that.

Is he going to do that every year? You can't tell me that this team is all of a sudden going to turn around and be any good next season. You don't just come back from beatings like they've taken this season. How about next year's seniors who are in their last year of eligibility? Thanks for everything, now you run along and I'm going to work with these guys over here because they can still do something for ME...I mean the program.

Honestly, how worthless does that make those kids feel? That's cold man. Wow.
 
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ysubuck;972163; said:
Thanks for everything, now you run along and I'm going to work with these guys over here because they can still do something for ME...I mean the program.

Honestly, how worthless does that make those kids feel? That's cold man. Wow.
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Didn't he make a big push for several 5th year seniors to come back, and now he's casting them aside to save his own skin? It just proves the point that, in his mind, it's not about the players but rather all about Charlie and his X's and O's.

He's just a reprehensible human being. I understand how he came in that first year and recruited well, but I really, for the life of me, can't understand why top recruits are still giving this self-centered blowhard and failure the time of day. Given the shady crap that's surrounded ND's program since Holtz came in, I really have to start wondering what's going on beneath the surface.

Ironically, the one coach they've had in the past two decades who was above reproach ethically was Willingham and look what that got him.
 
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ysubuck;972163; said:
Wow. Wasn't it all about the seniors at the beginning of the season? Are you kidding me? This can't be true. No coach in his right mind would write off a bunch of kids like that.

Is he going to do that every year? You can't tell me that this team is all of a sudden going to turn around and be any good next season. You don't just come back from beatings like they've taken this season. How about next year's seniors who are in their last year of eligibility? Thanks for everything, now you run along and I'm going to work with these guys over here because they can still do something for ME...I mean the program.

Honestly, how worthless does that make those kids feel? That's cold man. Wow.
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South Bend Tribune Recycles Weis quotes - funnels Lemming's lavish assessment of incoming ND classes ... it's all about the future and Weis is adapting?

(Evidenced by the election to defer against USC).

Somewhere Miss Cleo is smiling, maybe not even from behind prison bars or a pile of legal bills.

Maybe the former psychic-infomercial queen with the fake Jamaican accent and the real legal troubles actually was the one person who would have seen this implosion coming, the lull in Notre Dame third-year head football coach Charlie Weis' coronation.

The surprise of it, the depth of it, make it equally difficult to discern, logically or ethereally, just what kind of catalytic powers this season will have on future seasons. Apocalyptic or transformational?
The safe guess is that it won't be somewhere in between. Nothing Weis ever does comes in shades of gray. Either 2008 will be the season the former New England Patriots offensive guru flames out or it becomes the season where the flame is relit at Notre Dame for another long renaissance.

The team's current 1-7 record at this season's open date, the statistical atrocities, the drivel that comes from cursory looks at the program and flimsy conclusions are unreliable indicators of which way the pendulum spikes in 2008.
Weis himself will be the most powerful and reliable indicator, although much of what he does or doesn't do in the offseason toward that end will be out of public view. Yet his open-mindedness to evolve may be the best news at Notre Dame since the notion to expand the stadium was announced.
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So, what about the Lemming's views ..

The most fair comparison for 2008 would be the 2005 season, Weis' first. That was the year he bullied the college football world into taking Notre Dame seriously again. That is what he would like to do again in 2008.

The 2005 squad also is, realistically, the best of the three Weis-coached Irish teams, so it seems reasonable to set the bar there.

“They’ll have a weak senior class, which is never good,” CSTV recruiting analyst Tom Lemming said of the 2008 model. “But that can’t be avoided. What they’ll have though, is three really strong classes — freshmen, sophomores and juniors. So this is definitely a more talented team than the 2005 squad. The one noticeable difference where it’s not better will be experience at quarterback. Brady Quinn was moving into his third year as a starter.”
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Much more of the same glass if half full (or even more optimistic) from ND's most vocal media booster.
 
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Let them keep spinning and pointing to '08. Let them bring in whatever amount of freshman talent they want to. It doesn't matter. CW can't get a bunch of talented, young kids to even be competative.

What I ask everyone who isn't the most delusional of Domer fans is simply this. If Jim Tressel, Bob Stoops, Urban Myer, Jim Levitt or Greg Schiano took over that program exactly as CW found it do you think they'd be struggling as badly as they are now? 3 years to recruit and change the culture of the program to make it their own. I guarantee they'd be a more fundamentally sound, physical and competative team with any of those coaches in the same situation.
 
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