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Charlie Weis (ex-Kansas HC, ex-Fla OC, Notre Dame legend, UnDecided Schematic Advantage)

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LordJeffBuck;931122; said:
This season, Ohio State has played eight true freshman, two of whom are budding stars (Brandon Saine and Cameron Heyward); where is the young talent for Notre Dame? Weis already has three recruiting classes under his overly-large belt, but his young players simply aren't developing.
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Much as I enjoy poking fun at the situation, this honestly bothers me. Whatever it is that is going wrong at ND is going to affect the futures of the players who trusted Weis & Co. to help them develop their potential. Not saying I want ND to win, well, anything, but I also don't want to see these kids so far behind their peers that it hampers their future opportunities.
 
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Deety - a good case in point for the how Weis fails to take the opportunity to blood his frosh is last year's game in South Bend versus Penn State.

Handily up late in the game, Weis continues to play from the 2-deep, eschewing the opening for his recruiting classes to gain valuable reps and game experience. Instead, Weis wanted to show his Offensive abilities in an offensive show of piling on the points.

Basically, that is, as you suggest a disservice to the team and younger squad members. Shortsighted and self-defeating hubris winning over a careful, forward thinking plan to grow ND into a program that can take the field with anybody.
 
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scooter1369;931141; said:
I dare say Notre Dame will have to fire Weis by year end to avoid the NAACP marching into South Bend and demanding to know why Cheeseburger Chuck gets a pass and Willingham was given the 13loop rope at three years with a better team and vision.
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If they have to fire Fat Bastard and buy out that bloated 10 year contract, the AD should follow him out the door. Personally, I want both to remain continuing to ride that plane into the side of the mountain.

Had the Buckeyes fallen short yesterday, I truly would have taken some solace in the fact that Ty Willingham would have been 3-0 and getting credit for rebuilding a down in the dumps program (credit he's entitled to regardless of yesterday's outcome) while Fat Bastard would be sitting at 0-3 without an offensive touchdown to his credit.
 
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If all you ND/ Weis haters get your wish and Weis is fired and they get a better coach in and he makes them winners I suppose that will just fuel your hate all over again. Would that be a catch 22 that has caught all of you? :biggrin:
 
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sandgk;931188; said:
Deety - a good case in point for the how Weis fails to take the opportunity to blood his frosh is last year's game in South Bend versus Penn State.

Handily up late in the game, Weis continues to play from the 2-deep, eschewing the opening for his recruiting classes to gain valuable reps and game experience. Instead, Weis wanted to show his Offensive abilities in an offensive show of piling on the points.

Basically, that is, as you suggest a disservice to the team and younger squad members. Shortsighted and self-defeating hubris winning over a careful, forward thinking plan to grow ND into a program that can take the field with anybody.
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Was just about to post the same thing.

Our ability to return to the Top 10 year after year under Tressel has been due largely to our depth, but that depth wasn't recruited, it was manufactured. JT liberally rotates players at every position early in the year to systematically build each team for the future. Why even dress 100+ players if you're only going to play 40?

Compare the youth on our roster versus Notre Dame's. Our freshmen have been huge contributors, and we're sitting nicely in the Top 10 despite the complete disaster that was the 2003 recruiting class. Weis has had just as much time to get his players ready as JT has since Weis came to the college ranks in 2005.

Example: September 9, 2006 - Charlie Weis sticks to the 2-deep up 31 points at home against Penn State. Four hours later Ohio State is driving down the field to score a TD against Texas with the entire starting O-Line on the bench taking a breather.

Also, Charlie famously said at the press conference announcing his hiring that his team would hold a schematic advantage over every team they play -- which was nothing more than a hollow statement acknowledging his own genius as the Patriots offensive coordinator. Well, the 2007 Notre Dame Fighting Irish will not only hold no schematic advantage over a single team they'll play this season outside of the service academies, but this is possibly the sorriest lot of coaching I've ever seen in a D1A program. ND's problem isn't just one of youth, experience, depth, or scheme. These kids don't even have fucking clue what they're supposed to be doing.

They literally don't know how to block, tackle, or even snap a football.
 
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Deety;931184; said:
Much as I enjoy poking fun at the situation, this honestly bothers me. Whatever it is that is going wrong at ND is going to affect the futures of the players who trusted Weis & Co. to help them develop their potential. Not saying I want ND to win, well, anything, but I also don't want to see these kids so far behind their peers that it hampers their future opportunities.
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Bulls-eye here, Deety. I remember when the Bucks blew out ND in the Fiesta Bowl, I thought Chinedum Ndukwe was one of the slowest, least-capable safeties in major college football. Yet he is now producing with the Bengals, proving he had NFL talent all along. How well did Charlie Genius develop this kid? Not well at all.

I'll give him credit for Brady Quinn's development, though ... maybe he'd be a good QB coach somewhere.
 
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MaxBuck;931221; said:
Bulls-eye here, Deety. I remember when the Bucks blew out ND in the Fiesta Bowl, I thought Chinedum Ndukwe was one of the slowest, least-capable safeties in major college football. Yet he is now producing with the Bengals, proving he had NFL talent all along. How well did Charlie Genius develop this kid? Not well at all.
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Because defense doesn't matter in his world. I'm firmly convinced that Weis doesn't give two sh&*s about the defensive side of the ball. He's out to prove that it's his genius and "schematic superiority" that wins games. Silly things like defense and kicking as well as blocking and tackling fundamentals are for other, lesser coaches to concern themselves with in order to cover up for their lack of schematic genius.
 
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I wouldn't even give Charlie Wide credit for Quinn's development.

Quinn was a junior who had played his first two years when the genius got there. I'd bet anything he would have been just as good with TW on the sidelines for his junior and senior seasons.
 
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He's out to prove that it's his genius and "schematic superiority" that wins games.
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This was always been one of my questions about CW. Even if he was an NFL genius how does that translate to CFB?

NFL guys know the fundamentals and how offenses work. You just draw it up and they go execute. If they can't you drop them and pick up somebody else.

In CFB they have a lot to learn and not everybody comes along at the same pace - especially if the concepts are complex. And once you get a player you have them for four years. Well, unless they get an opportunity with a stronger program and enroll there in the middle of the season. That happens all the time.
 
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ORD_Buckeye;931228; said:
Because defense doesn't matter in his world. I'm firmly convinced that Weis doesn't give two sh&*s about the defensive side of the ball. He's out to prove that it's his genius and "schematic superiority" that wins games. Silly things like defense and kicking as well as blocking and tackling fundamentals are for other, lesser coaches to concern themselves with in order to cover up for their lack of schematic genius.
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oh8ch said:
This was always been one of my questions about CW. Even if he was an NFL genius how does that translate to CFB?

NFL guys know the fundamentals and how offenses work. You just draw it up and they go execute. If they can't you drop them and pick up somebody else.

In CFB they have a lot to learn and not everybody comes along at the same pace - especially if the concepts are complex. And once you get a player you have them for four years. Well, unless they get an opportunity with a stronger program and enroll there in the middle of the season. That happens all the time.
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Al Groh is on line 2.
 
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Charlie breaks tradition, runs a practice on the Sabbath at a Catholic University.

SOUTH BEND, Ind. (AP) -- Notre Dame coach Charlie Weis is shaking things up for the winless Fighting Irish.
After a 38-0 loss to Michigan on Saturday -- which tied the 38-0 loss to Michigan in 2003 for the eighth most lopsided in school history -- Weis canceled his Sunday news conference and the usual session for players to run and watch film. Instead he held a full practice.

Weis said there was no need for players to see the game film because it wouldn't do any good.
"One game is worse than the next game," he said.
After falling to 0-3 for just the second time in school history, the Irish are starting from scratch. They are treating this week as though it were the start of training camp, going back to the basics. Weis said the team will focus on trying to get good at a nucleus of plays.
"You have to find something you can hang your hat on," he said.
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I'd suggest they start with getting a clean snap of the ball.
 
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